lol i can pwn summon with d grade armor..

kill the summon slowly but surely. tanking is the key. summoner keeps on healing and doing everything to kill you. eventually summoner runs out of mana for heals. then runs out of mana for a re-summon.

cant tank? then you sealed your fate against summoners.

btw i'm an AL in retail. thats what HK's did..pretty effective for a couple of matches till i countered it with the fat cat recharger summon. hehhe

even try to use agro on the sumon when he is healing his cat if u have luck like me u will find a "smat" sumoner that will not see the change of target and will start to heal you ( flames = ban 3day if u ask me why i said smart )

wait wait?
how the hell will he heal u with the fkin servitor heal?

stupid servitor heal doesnt even require target omg
u can target urself and heal the summon and in emergency healurself with battle heal..

/fail imo

ok, ill try tanking the summon...
got nothing to lose anyway.

and ill try bergs suggestion as well, my hamstring is +9 chance atm and my stun is at +10 reuse.
root just doesnt seem to work agaist summons because of their mental shield, i`ve got a ring of baium but maybe if i get myself a ring of AQ as well i could pull that off.

just one question though, why keep the summoner with hamstring? if he feels my panther is being a pain in the ass he can just cast betray on in.

in servers with mana pots it rox when i played high rate to learn gracia 2 i had pala with stun +13 reuse and i rocked! stun-lock and pew pew= dead
for oly on the other hand i dunno...

well its actually low rate...
anyway because you usually break your own stun doing damage to your target, so you need to be able to use it all the time, besides you can actually pull a double stun lock if you OE to like +19 (if you have no buffs)...
and if they have boss jewels so can you.

im thinking aobut lveling to +13 too, but i need to farm knight epaullete to get the giant codex mastery.

yes, you`ve got the reuse reduction at +12 and you get to the next lvl tier at +13

a stunned summon cant do damage on you for a few sec..so if you can stun lock a summon, better. summon dont get to wear anything that can resist a stun .

yup, anyway, the problem is not really the summon, it hits hard, but i can take it with my IC.

A well played summoner can beat me even without its summon, even if it sounds stupid, he just need to use warriors bane, and then without haste and ww he can easily run, plus he stuns me with his cubic and his summon, he has a really good cubic with dot, that plus his majestic set makes it almost impossible to reach him, let alone stun him.
Tryed using a +3 draco bow agaist his +4 Mj set, but its no good, cant do good damage either, even if he doesnt have his summon out.

besides his cubic heals him, so even if i can stun lock him, without a haste i kinda do lame damage.

i can stun his summon, but his cubics do most of the work for him, he just has to run, so no point in killing the servitor.

I cant trust my panther because of betray.

With transfer pain he takes less than half the damage.

I just cant think of anything to beat him short of waiting till they update the server to gracia final and i get the improved version of ToD, and the reflect magic buff plus the one that gives 100% your mdef.


So i guess what im asking is, dont you guys know someone with enough experience using a HK to tell me what im doing wrong, someone that played through gracia part 2 and could beat summoners?.

Theres another idea i`ve got right now and that is using hell scream at the begining of the match, pray that it lands on the summoner and beat the crap out of him as my panther hits him, keep him slowed, stuned when i can (im not using shackle because i cant OE in my server and it just doesnt land 5 out of 6 times i use it), and hope that i get a few crits in to put him out of his missery before he even knows what hit him.


PD: nevermind that idea, ES have a cubic that heals all abnormal status as soon as they land. Smart Cubic FTW >_>...

Forget it Lhynn, sumoners are Tank killers, its very very very hard kill them, i think the only tank that can kill it its the TK...btw, what the server are u playing?

IF HK cant pwns summoners, SK cant kill them either lol, but if they got a huge boost (a rly huge) on the newer chronicles its different story..

what can SK or TK do?

I dont know about SK, but TK can kill sumoner without any problems ( a good 1 ofc), they have heals, cubic heals, lot of speed, etc etc, now SK?i dont know what they can do, LS land rate is low, the cubics?meh..dont think so.