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 Post subject: Cardi vs HK (again)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:08 pm 
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ok I quess it actually would be reasonable to continue the argument about this in it's own topic instead of spamming the Duelist vs HK thread...
http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=15

PaaGRIO wrote:
Light armor + fist weapon / dual sword - SA HP ... maybe i should tell u the dyes too Smile? Yea i play on the same edited private servers u all do mr.PRO Smile u are speaking about DA not exactly the best DD there is. After u kill the panther with a bow. U can begin pwning the DA with the fist/dual dont forget a tank with no mana to use UD or drains ( DA,SK ) is a dead tank, no stun ither so it come to who has the better MP regen - DA or BISH - well i think every NAAB knows that answer. The DA makes 1k-1,5k dmg on the bish for a 20-30 secs enough time for the bish to regen mana for heal ? What now does it still sound so imposible, both bish and DA aint DDs but DA nas no heal Smile so after a long battle the DA will fall. I hope it wa clear enought even for u to understand. The bish has more buffs than the DA so in OLy it will be even easier. And pls forget that "In the name of god" its not cool, its lame u have to respect your god if u have any Razz

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Gr3k is noob. THe other people that sustain the afirmation you can`t kill with pp/ee/se/bishop are way WRONG. Let`s take for instance the situation you proposed.

Bishop VS Dark Avenger. WHo the f**k cares about the DA armor. It`s simple. THe panther is ERASED [ idiots]. Secondly the DA`s mana is drained with MANA BURNS. What the heck can a slowes DA do ? Remeber that harmstring only reduces runing speed while BLock WInd Walk reduces the speed while negating any bonuses from buffs that affect sped so wind walk zerk ill be negated. SO >? Yey for the fu**king bishop. THe only chance the DA has is to use a bow. And this will count only is olympiad because there the damage done count after 3 minutes and he`ll prolly win because the bishop will ahve no cp left. But in field pvp the da will use the bow for nothing [ let`s not forget that if he uses a bow he`ll have low mana and if the bishop burns his mana he`ll have none left so he`l probably shot an arrow everyfew seconds. The bishop can use a bow. He won`t do much damage but if he`s buffed he`ll kill the DA slow but surely. If you try the crapy bulsh*t about using drains forget it no mana. Even if you are able to drain him 3 or 4 times he`s a healer so he won`t care about that sh*t. Even with 2 lucky criticals he won`t die from them Smile


Not for general. Every healer has erase and mana burn. SOme have trance while the others have root.

I can`t imagine why people say that healers or assistant s are weak. Weak where ? Most of the best battle are held at the olympiad stadium when it`s pure pvp. For all of you who didn`t know PROPHET is one of the best players in oly. I remebmer when PP ahs cancel. TO bad these days he doesn`t have it anymore or he would be the best or olympiad Smile


EDIT next time stick to the THREAD TITLE you either respond to that or open a similar topic and talk there.

THis includes me Razz


ok first of all I have to apologize, I quess I was a little bit too rough on my post there as it provoked ppl, mah bad. But hey, we all get a little bit cranky when hungry right ;) So I'll try to be a little bit more constructive/reasonable from now on, so we may have a pleasent arguments...

okey... Soo, let's assume both of them are DD buffed by PP (GM+Zerk).
so here we are facing each other lets say in 1k~ range. HK with Panther rdy and Cardi with his acu wep. Both running towards each other HK having Panther at follow. Before that 600 range HK stops panther and starts casting Hamstring as Cardi casts Mana Burn at 900 range. After that Cardi uses MBF/Sleep/Trance (can be a bizz if HK happens to wear NM). Let's assume that Hamstring went through as did MBF&sleep. HK makes his Panther to awake him, and now Cardi uses another Mana Burn...

ATM Cardis speed would be 110~ w/ +6 DEX (set bonus, just added the dex for comparison). HK start running towards Cardi with Panth little left behind. So Cardi could now either try to sleep HK or Erase the Panther. If he tries to sleep HK/Panth, there is always another one to awake each other. If he tries to erase the Panth, HK would still be running towards Cardi and would pretty surely catch up in the time Cardi has succesfully erased the Panth.

So now they would be at melee range. Cardi would use Mass Block WW as HK starts spamming ShieldStun/ShieldSlam. As Cardi uses MBWW HK most likely has already stunned Cardi. Now HK would maybe have time to resummon his Panth. If he was able to do that, he would command the Panth to attack Cardi. As Cardi gets away from the stun, HK is ready to give another shot for stuns and Cardi will be most likely get stunned. After that let the Panth beat up the Cardi again... But If Cardi would get unstunned before HK has summoned his Panth, Cardi could try to interrupt his casting, which most likely is gonna fail. After summoning HK would pretty surely get Cardi stunned again, and after the panther would be beating up Cardi and they would be repeating that until Cardi would drop...

That's pretty much my vision of the match...
Reply, discuss and share opinions so we can have some nice arguments ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:58 pm 
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Do u understand that the bish will heal all the dmg the DA does wile he is in stun with onle one heal ? do u have any ideal what a bishop is i told u bishop does not need to use a bow to beat the DA. Why well deflekt arrow mainly. actualy the bish doesn`t have to use mass block WW :) if a tank is so "smart" to use zerk on himself the only thing a bish has to cast is mass block shield
(Removes buffs that increase P. Def from nearby enemies. Temporarily decreases P. Def and prevents enemies from receiving removed buffs that will increase their P. Def. again.)
A tank with zerk and no def buff :) thats a fun situation. The best weapon is the ( fist or even dual sword ) constant dmg. Yea the DA will stun and start to pwn the bish with his mega hard hits :) please start the thinking proces. U won`t have mana for stun do u understand that ? How ?

Actualy 2 skills yes mana burn, but yea there is another one :)
- Magical Backfire ( Instantly increases the MP consumption rate of your enemy's skills. Effect 3 ) at the end whats the deal ?

The HK:
-no def - mass block shield
-no mana
-no chance to use bow
-no stun
-no UD or vengence ( not that it helps in pvp )

The Cardinal
-probably slowed
-probably under the effect of touch of death

Now for the fighting process:
DA with panth casts hamsting (lands), bish erase on the panth (lands), DA touch of death (lands) , bish - mass block shield,magical backfire,mana burn ( all land eventualy ) , DA stuns the bish wile mp continuasly going down, Bish casts 2 fast heals - full hp + mana burn again, stun the DA without mp last stun, bish 2 fast heals ( almost full mana ) + mana burn again, DA hiting with his weapon ( not with bow cause he has no mana ), bish hiting with a demon splinter : Health + mana burn every now and than + heal if he needs to. Eventualy DA dies only becuase of the lack of mana. The bish on full hp and half mana used...i hope u understand now how it happens dear proPLAYER :)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:26 pm 
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ok , this has come way to far

@ BEagenteleman just find a damn 5000x server and you make a bishop a make a HK and whe go in coliseum pvp 1v1 on self buffs. and you see that theory made on the forum is just 10% of the battle made in-game think about that before calling me (or anyone) "n00b"


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:36 pm 
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don't play a hk vs cardi on a private bugged server, it's a no sense
tank take fucking much time to kill a cardi even if the tank is able to keep the cardi stunned
other way, cardi have many troubles in killing tank with a bow (acu penality for ever :( )
root/trance a tank is almost impossible if they are in nigthmare ...

dual sword or a pole to have a 80 range if root land may be a good solution too


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:28 am 
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Come on guys make quick posts, i don't have the patience to read those!

And i think the cardinal will pwn the hk, becaus the hk will be shittless (out of mana) and all it remains is to try to swort him. With +5 con and maj robe, he has the odds in his favor.


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