Actually, 2nd maybe, cos i was testing gladi in many different setups (dye & armor & wpn) and i tried +4dex +5con with tallum heavy, and it made a hard-to-break grinder, though i didnt notice devastating crits, my +5str -ed opponents didnt do much crits on me either... and i hit 3 skills while they only 2.

About skill crit thingy... my friend has an aw sub, and uses +4str -4con (lol, but omg lol its working) for lvling, and guess what - he's confident to crit more (and higher dmg) with this setup (PL set ofc). So if a dagger crits more, any fighter class should.

But... it seems that many of u forget about one more crucial fact about STR: it modifies Skill Mastery. And if a gladi has relatively low chance to crit a TSS, he has chances to have 2 TSS-es in a row (reloading 4 charges is quite less time than the cooldown of TSS)

And con... what does gladi need it for (lol again, ty)? He has the highest CP in the duel (with S duals bonus), hp+cp around 12-14k altogether with btb selfbuff - and a +4con dye would give him another +1500 hp+cp bonus. That 13k doesnt need that 1,4k more imo... gladi is an offensive char, not a tank, and if he cannot kill his opponent before 13k points wear off, then he won't kill him in 14,5k either. (well, maybe in oly its worth it, but if u go on sieges or other field pvp, that clumsy -12 dex won't reach a dc robe or any light armor wearer!
(Ofc some always say sonic move here and there, but if u wanna hit hard, u need full sonic charges --> after using sonic move, u need +3 charges again, and mostly its too much time to lose)

I'd say try +5str and IC heavy at first, and if u keep losing because of that 1500 bonus, only then apply another +4con...

The only thing STR does is a slight increase in skills DMG, actualy no1 here has ever tested that in off server so its only assuming that it does. That AW friend is playing where ? No1 here or in Guru knows how skill crits work. It might be a fix chance that doesn`t depend on shit. So if the reuse of skills doesn`t depend on dex anymore sure its more usefull to add STR, but not for the s.crit.rate but just for the little extra dmg it gives.

Most of U haven`t tought of that but ppl began speaking of STR modifying s.crit.rate when skill mastery came to be, and it was affected by STR. From that point on no1 has ever been able to proove anything, so yea on servers where DEX still modifies skill reuse its better to invest in it ( more skills = more crits ) after the reuse has been made constant get STR for the extra DMG thats all.

Again if there is even a slight posibility that STR or any other stat modifies skill crit chance it will be very small, like 1% for stat point. Lets say u crit 20 times out of 100 skills. U know the +9STR will be like +9%-10% skills crit chance more. So if u visited school more often u would know that this makes like 22 crits in 100 skills, a HUGE CHANGE!

I dont have a proof for str - skill crit connection, my +str dyes are made for triggering skill mastery, its more important than having a slight increase in crit chances. Btw, the server is l2J with medium population (suits me better than 1000+ ppl on a siege where my CPU starts to blow up as a mini-volcano), but that J letter doesnt mean being crap. If we enjoy it, that's enough.

And on the other hand, if u wanna build a great class on any server, u dont have to follow any advices immediately... some say this, others say that, and if u can, u should try both sides... cos u won't know if an almighty offie-type rule applies on the server he plays on, or not.

I suppose many players that have +STR dyes feel the attack power of the class, and feel to have s.crits more often, thats why they insist on that.
On our current server i tried both setups for glad (+5str + PL set versus -11str + doom hvy) and did about 40-50 skills in a row, and i didnt notice anything in crit success rates.

<fun>That +5str skill mastery allowed me once a Super Sonic Slash combo - or i could say double-triple-hyper-critzor-sonic-slash (2 tss crits and a final ts in 2 seconds with 10k+ damage and a big omg in a tyrant)... </fun>

Mr. nordicgr, if u have the time and money for trying both, i'd suggest to do it yourself, cos theres no better experience than own.

i see u are on a quest for more spam points

ya, rly

There where so many test done on retail with Gladiators skills . Who sayd that -Dex is too much is not thinking too much imo . Take a Human Class add 5 Dex and check stats .... after that take an Elf Class and do the same . You will see that the Bonus you recive on Human from that 5 Dex is lol , you ppl make me think that you use +Dex on Orc Classes aswell lewl . You play this game such a long time and still don't know the basiscs ... every Class has his Primary and Secondary Stat Bonus , and Elf for ex will get much more benefits from Dex then a Human or an Orc . Now going back to the subject , Duelist will not recive TOO much damage on skills from P.atk same goes for Dagger Class but not to many ppl know this yet so it's good to pawn noobs with G.Might and stuff like this . As for Str again for Human especialy for Duelist is better to have 46 because at this point you will get a bonus of 27% more Skill Crit Chance , same goes for Dagger Class ... why do you think retail daggers changed the Dye Setup in C5 from - Str + Con / Dex to +Str ? Not to mention a Duelist is not suposed to kite with proper buffs and clan skills he can have up to 16k Hp ... IC is better then Dynasty set imo because it gives just whant you need + Str - Dex / Hp / Root / Sleep Resistance . You just have to survire a lot and use Rage + Blaster Combo and if someone come close range well you know what will happen . About that Stat thingy go +5 Dex - 5 Con on a Duelist check stats and after that go +5 Con - 5 Dex and see how much Hp / Cp / Defence Bonus you will get . -11 Dex is far the best setup , get Rene / Champ and you will spam skills like a maniac . But you ofc if you ppl only play on servers with +50 gear and 60 buff limit it's obvious why you chose this setup because is far better but try something real not Star Wars PvP and crap like that . Before you start bitching and flameing and stuff like that go on l2blah and check Diego Vargas posts and tests ....

Cheers !~

I realy would like to see where did u get that 27% increase in skill crit rate . About Vargas well he has his moments. About playing on private servers well now u must know that most of the ppl here play on private servers and most of them don`t actualy care how it works on official cause ... they`ll never play there so... cut the advertising of other forums btw , we all know Blah, we all read it so, we all know
There are dyes for every enemy u can face. U get -11 dex makes u easy target for an archer cause he can outrun u and proly outspam the cp pots wile u try do get the focus sonic for the skills. In this dyes the only thing u can kill are tyrants ( hard but posible ) , tanks , destroes and kamaels, bds/sws too maybe dunno. If you speak about fullbuffed glad well not everyone plays on a PVP server where u have full support and without buffs/ or just CH buff on an open field pvp do u think that glad can do smth againts any class ?If u don`t have that champpion/renewval what will u do with 500 atack speed ? and 115 speed ?

BTW you might be right cause the basic rate of the skill crits is like 30% so when u add a 27% out of 30% u get like 35-36% chance to crit so not that much anyway

sorry dude but i dont fuking agree...
the glad can outspam almost ANY dmg
look at some videos of 1337 glads on off
3-4 mages targeting the glad
they simply cant outdmg him

also u are not slow cuz u have sonic move
and afterall..
if u see that u get pwned its time for barrier
or bsoe..

also if u HAS force and sws u aint slow at all

also charging aint slow at all when buffzorged
i also remind u paagrio that since gracia atk spd doesnt affect skills reuse delay(phy and some mag.)
also another question:u rly pvp at higher levels(even endgame) in ch buffs?

Lets begin with the last question i usualy pvp alone less ppl = less things to screw up.

I tought about smth else btw sure a.speed does not affect the reuse delay , but does it not reflect the cast speed of the skills too ? U know that every skill has some time of casting which is affected by a.speed/c.speed right. And BTW nothing can spam CP pots easier than an archer. But u think about that GLAD in full buffed state imagine u fight a HE and hamsting lands what than ?

About the sonic barrier u are not some tyrant to put barier on and pwn averything for 8 secs. u stay the same glad and u sax kox a little longer. Now most of u think only about interlude skills and interlude taktic that glad can own u but think again.Cause in graciq u get disarm my boy u get +5 dex and some fast armor u activate sonic move and disarm is the first skills. If u read DIEGO VARGAS it has a nice chance to land ( dunno what realy ) Fack STR cause it affect the skill DMG less than u care. So thats the new way of Gracia. The glad has nice chances to kill almost everything with the naturaly high HP/CP even in light armor, now againts a disarmed oponent what do u thing count more slow casted skills that can eventualy crit with a rate of 36% or fast casted skills that can crit with 27% chance ?

About the BSOE well thats a way out too it depends how much u like to do it

NO I WON'T CAUSE SUN WAS ALWAYS PURPLE AND PURPLE WILL BE

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+1

thats why i say that hes retarded, he proly doesnt know what an opinion is x_X

1. SpidAp you are idiot
2.
Why you think i care for your stuped sun

3. wrote what you want i will never see it