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aggers are the best in mass pvp, just need to know how to play them, daggers+archers in mass pvp is the best idea, while 2 or 3parties of archers making wall of targets within the enemy, daggers must to get behind the enemies and kite theirs backs, so in this way you not just hit them from behind when they will not expect you, but and put chaos in their lines and healers wont have that wall which would defend them.


You will get a couple kills and run out of MP. Good luck getting a ee to stay with you for recharges and stay alive. I always play a AW and have played in alot of seiges with it, they are just not built for those types of PvP. Unless of course you are playing a server where you can spam MP pots :P

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aggers are the best in mass pvp, just need to know how to play them, daggers+archers in mass pvp is the best idea, while 2 or 3parties of archers making wall of targets within the enemy, daggers must to get behind the enemies and kite theirs backs, so in this way you not just hit them from behind when they will not expect you, but and put chaos in their lines and healers wont have that wall which would defend them.


You will get a couple kills and run out of MP. Good luck getting a ee to stay with you for recharges and stay alive. I always play a AW and have played in alot of seiges with it, they are just not built for those types of PvP. Unless of course you are playing a server where you can spam MP pots :P



simple tactic, atack kill as much as you can, drink elexir from dino island>atack more and get a fuck out of there, you're dagger, not tank, you won't hold too long in the fair fight. GTFO

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:19 am 
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As much as i dislike archers HE is the key in mass PvP like seiges. High durability, high weight limit, high damage. Mages do not fair well in mass PvPs for a number of reasons. Daggers also are not good as much as i love playing them.


daggers are the best in mass pvp, just need to know how to play them, daggers+archers in mass pvp is the best idea, while 2 or 3parties of archers making wall of targets within the enemy, daggers must to get behind the enemies and kite theirs backs, so in this way you not just hit them from behind when they will not expect you, but and put chaos in their lines and healers wont have that wall which would defend them.

they can use bow too, just to impose to the enemy that all people there are the archers.

trick/switch skills are good against healer and others too. just need to know how to play in mass pvp and that's all.


dagger are the worst possible chars in mass pvp , with a dagger you run out of mana prolly even before killing someone lmao cos the target can get cp/hp heal .......thats unless you play on retarded 4312432x servers with infinite mana , on normal servers in mass pvp you see only nukers titans and archers

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YEP. And man in full buff u have high chances of influicting skill crits, and make 1stab kills. U can make 7-10 fast kills IF there is big chaos and noone notices you. As a dagger u should always target the healers and the mages. If there are no mages left, lets attack the archers, they love backstab ;D

It is truly rare that u see a dagger party in mass pvp, because they are easy targets. But if u can manage a dagger party behind your enemy, than u have a big advantage ^^
No to mention that a dagger kills a robe user from 2-3 stabs. And only Th used to run out of mana fast thx to its imba skillmissing ability ^^


Focus death is simply a must for mass pvp if u take dagger.

In the other hand OL is a MUST too. There is nothing as effective as prefrenzied destroyer party in flames of invicibility +draconic bow focus. They can do their job very well.


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YEP. And man in full buff u have high chances of influicting skill crits, and make 1stab kills. U can make 7-10 fast kills IF there is big chaos and noone notices you. As a dagger u should always target the healers and the mages. If there are no mages left, lets attack the archers, they love backstab ;D


don't you understand it's useless ? daggers are good in small pvps and 1vs1 but in mass pvp they suck , not enought mana


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Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


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Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


so you changed your mind ? no daggers for mass pvp ok


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WaZaWanGa wrote:
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Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


so you changed your mind ? no daggers for mass pvp ok


Man. Daggers are awesome if they are maqny they will kill many. And every char can be useful at mass pvp, even spoiler xD (Overenchanted spoil festival ftw)

I rarely see tanks for exampöle, but they woul rock at mass pvp. Also i have never seen warlord, but i think that would be able to do something.

Yesterday i have seen a Eva Templar killing a necro and a SH in 2 v 1 , i think tanks have their own place in mass pvp, They are ideal vs archers/nukers. Also daggers are very good at elimintaing healers. And this is essential.

Summonners are not too good, i admit, but i would be fuking scared from a full PS party. xD Warlock is taken because of kitty buff.

Warsmith is not essential but it is a pwnzorg. Tyrant too. A tyrant can own a full mage pt. Through u can rarely see it at mass pvp, because everyone reads that OL nuker archer WC BD SWS is good for mass pvp, and they doesn't even think about doing something else.


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Shalana wrote:
WaZaWanGa wrote:
Shalana wrote:
Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


so you changed your mind ? no daggers for mass pvp ok


Man. Daggers are awesome if they are maqny they will kill many. And every char can be useful at mass pvp, even spoiler xD (Overenchanted spoil festival ftw)

I rarely see tanks for exampöle, but they woul rock at mass pvp. Also i have never seen warlord, but i think that would be able to do something.

Yesterday i have seen a Eva Templar killing a necro and a SH in 2 v 1 , i think tanks have their own place in mass pvp, They are ideal vs archers/nukers. Also daggers are very good at elimintaing healers. And this is essential.

Summonners are not too good, i admit, but i would be fuking scared from a full PS party. xD Warlock is taken because of kitty buff.

Warsmith is not essential but it is a pwnzorg. Tyrant too. A tyrant can own a full mage pt. Through u can rarely see it at mass pvp, because everyone reads that OL nuker archer WC BD SWS is good for mass pvp, and they doesn't even think about doing something else.


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Shalana wrote:
WaZaWanGa wrote:
Shalana wrote:
Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


so you changed your mind ? no daggers for mass pvp ok


Man. Daggers are awesome if they are maqny they will kill many. And every char can be useful at mass pvp, even spoiler xD (Overenchanted spoil festival ftw)

I rarely see tanks for exampöle, but they woul rock at mass pvp. Also i have never seen warlord, but i think that would be able to do something.

Yesterday i have seen a Eva Templar killing a necro and a SH in 2 v 1 , i think tanks have their own place in mass pvp, They are ideal vs archers/nukers. Also daggers are very good at elimintaing healers. And this is essential.

Summonners are not too good, i admit, but i would be fuking scared from a full PS party. xD Warlock is taken because of kitty buff.

Warsmith is not essential but it is a pwnzorg. Tyrant too. A tyrant can own a full mage pt. Through u can rarely see it at mass pvp, because everyone reads that OL nuker archer WC BD SWS is good for mass pvp, and they doesn't even think about doing something else.


can you at least imagine a dagger without mana pots pls ? , do you know how hard it is for a dagger to kill even robes on fullbuff while they have cp/hp heal ? no you have no idea all daggers will run out of mana with a nuker you kill alot more ppl than with dagger . Nukers are also very needed to win because of aura flash enchanted for stun , necro is essential in every pvp for the mass mage bane+mass warrior bane
in every pvp they key for win is mass debuffs from OL , necro , bd , sws .. etc

stfu you are beginning to talk only retarded stuff , you stupid shit a tank's role in mass pvp is to tank not to kill and 2vs1 is not mass pvp !!!

full party of PS ? ok i declare you the most retarded person i have ever seen , your logic is irrational , you are very wrong summoners are needed in mass pvp , warlock for cat buff , pony for skill reuse AND i also think elem summoner is pretty good killer with Magnus the unicorn the AOE water attack is pretty powerful

tyrant can own a full mage party ? lmao ok whatever go delete your char imo ill tell you just from personal experience tyrant and warsmith are not "pwnzorg" they don't kill anyone not even robes


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WaZaWanGa wrote:
Shalana wrote:
WaZaWanGa wrote:
Shalana wrote:
Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


so you changed your mind ? no daggers for mass pvp ok


Man. Daggers are awesome if they are maqny they will kill many. And every char can be useful at mass pvp, even spoiler xD (Overenchanted spoil festival ftw)

I rarely see tanks for exampöle, but they woul rock at mass pvp. Also i have never seen warlord, but i think that would be able to do something.

Yesterday i have seen a Eva Templar killing a necro and a SH in 2 v 1 , i think tanks have their own place in mass pvp, They are ideal vs archers/nukers. Also daggers are very good at elimintaing healers. And this is essential.

Summonners are not too good, i admit, but i would be fuking scared from a full PS party. xD Warlock is taken because of kitty buff.

Warsmith is not essential but it is a pwnzorg. Tyrant too. A tyrant can own a full mage pt. Through u can rarely see it at mass pvp, because everyone reads that OL nuker archer WC BD SWS is good for mass pvp, and they doesn't even think about doing something else.


can you at least imagine a dagger without mana pots pls ? , do you know how hard it is for a dagger to kill even robes on fullbuff while they have cp/hp heal ? no you have no idea all daggers will run out of mana with a nuker you kill alot more ppl than with dagger . Nukers are also very needed to win because of aura flash enchanted for stun , necro is essential in every pvp for the mass mage bane+mass warrior bane
in every pvp they key for win is mass debuffs from OL , necro , bd , sws .. etc

stfu you are beginning to talk only retarded stuff , you stupid shit a tank's role in mass pvp is to tank not to kill and 2vs1 is not mass pvp !!!

full party of PS ? ok i declare you the most retarded person i have ever seen , your logic is irrational , you are very wrong summoners are needed in mass pvp , warlock for cat buff , pony for skill reuse AND i also think elem summoner is pretty good killer with Magnus the unicorn the AOE water attack is pretty powerful

tyrant can own a full mage party ? lmao ok whatever go delete your char imo ill tell you just from personal experience tyrant and warsmith are not "pwnzorg" they don't kill anyone not even robes


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and u are the smart one who wins everytime against everything
stfu retard ok? nobody cares about ur bullshit opinion

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WaZaWanGa wrote:
Shalana wrote:
WaZaWanGa wrote:
Shalana wrote:
Yea. TH run out of mana fast. It misses. A LOT. PW/AW not.
But i dont wanna argue about this again.

HE Nukers and OL rocks at mass pvp.


so you changed your mind ? no daggers for mass pvp ok


Man. Daggers are awesome if they are maqny they will kill many. And every char can be useful at mass pvp, even spoiler xD (Overenchanted spoil festival ftw)

I rarely see tanks for exampöle, but they woul rock at mass pvp. Also i have never seen warlord, but i think that would be able to do something.

Yesterday i have seen a Eva Templar killing a necro and a SH in 2 v 1 , i think tanks have their own place in mass pvp, They are ideal vs archers/nukers. Also daggers are very good at elimintaing healers. And this is essential.

Summonners are not too good, i admit, but i would be fuking scared from a full PS party. xD Warlock is taken because of kitty buff.

Warsmith is not essential but it is a pwnzorg. Tyrant too. A tyrant can own a full mage pt. Through u can rarely see it at mass pvp, because everyone reads that OL nuker archer WC BD SWS is good for mass pvp, and they doesn't even think about doing something else.


can you at least imagine a dagger without mana pots pls ? , do you know how hard it is for a dagger to kill even robes on fullbuff while they have cp/hp heal ? no you have no idea all daggers will run out of mana with a nuker you kill alot more ppl than with dagger . Nukers are also very needed to win because of aura flash enchanted for stun , necro is essential in every pvp for the mass mage bane+mass warrior bane
in every pvp they key for win is mass debuffs from OL , necro , bd , sws .. etc

stfu you are beginning to talk only retarded stuff , you stupid shit a tank's role in mass pvp is to tank not to kill and 2vs1 is not mass pvp !!!

full party of PS ? ok i declare you the most retarded person i have ever seen , your logic is irrational , you are very wrong summoners are needed in mass pvp , warlock for cat buff , pony for skill reuse AND i also think elem summoner is pretty good killer with Magnus the unicorn the AOE water attack is pretty powerful

tyrant can own a full mage party ? lmao ok whatever go delete your char imo ill tell you just from personal experience tyrant and warsmith are not "pwnzorg" they don't kill anyone not even robes

oh please
MMOs (including l2) are designed for mass pvp
so why NCSoft didn't created only ur IMBA archers, nukers and support chars (like bd, sws etc.)?
EVERY well played char can do A LOT in mass pvp and also in 1vs1
so pls stop writing these ridiculous things, ok? ty

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I see 90% of you have never seen a mass pvp.
Daggers? rofl i bet you make max 3 kills if you are lucky and so what? your target gets ressed noblessed and the fight goes on, but your out of mp and then what? /sit? and dont give me the crap 1 hit mages/healers y0 cause we both know its bullsh1t. Archers are the core of mass pvp and not because they have imba l33t uber dmg per hit in fact their damage sux in mass pvp cause ppl dont go w/o cop and windstorm and when valor is in effect archers dmg kinda sux, but still they are good because they provide the best damage with least mp consumtion while as you said daggers give the best burst damage, but you after mp is over you are useless and even before that with 3-4 OL's spaming cp your target spaming cp and getting healed GL killing it. Nukers are essential for mass pvp cause of aoe nukes/disables blabla they give the best damage overall when you cast 1 aoe spell and hit 30 targets even if you do 300-400 damage its still mission succesful and s80 nukes are quite devastating though only Vulcano is working on my server atm :(.


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I would recommend from my own experience

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I see 90% of you have never seen a mass pvp.
Daggers? rofl i bet you make max 3 kills if you are lucky and so what? your target gets ressed noblessed and the fight goes on, but your out of mp and then what? /sit? and dont give me the crap 1 hit mages/healers y0 cause we both know its bullsh1t. Archers are the core of mass pvp and not because they have imba l33t uber dmg per hit in fact their damage sux in mass pvp cause ppl dont go w/o cop and windstorm and when valor is in effect archers dmg kinda sux, but still they are good because they provide the best damage with least mp consumtion while as you said daggers give the best burst damage, but you after mp is over you are useless and even before that with 3-4 OL's spaming cp your target spaming cp and getting healed GL killing it. Nukers are essential for mass pvp cause of aoe nukes/disables blabla they give the best damage overall when you cast 1 aoe spell and hit 30 targets even if you do 300-400 damage its still mission succesful and s80 nukes are quite devastating though only Vulcano is working on my server atm :(.


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