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ee goes to battle in inquisitor mode lands 3 nukes before you reach him ( even with rushes ) so cp + a little hp is down
you manage to hurt him ( get him to 50 % hp ) he sleeps you and changes to healer and is now ful hp and after that he will go inquisitor and rape you again with nukes ( we also consider that you also incured dmg while trying to get him to 50 % hp )
also he has block ww 2 buffs for shield def making his shield def very high for a mage not to mention clarity mana burn powa block ww and a lot others
honestly he is an olly beast
HE CAN BE BEAT but very hard and with a lot of luck

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:D lands 3 nukes before I reach him? I hope you have heard, that there is actually time to spend buffing? And that then you can enter the field about 15 secs before the match begins? How on earth do you think he can evade me, that's the olympiad stadium, not the friggin coliseum :wink: And what, I can't be at 200-600 range of him? Keep theorizing. Have you actually read what I wrote? Here, let me spell it for you, since your reading comprehension seems abcent: 1 M-I-N-U-T-E O-F 8-0 % R-E-S-I-S-T-A-N-C-E T-O S-L-E-E-P, R-O-O-T, P-A-R-A-L-Y-S-E.

1 Minute of 80% resistance to sleep, root and paralyse.
And that is without the 76 lvl passives. Can you do the math?

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Welcome to Lineage 2: Augment wars my friend i rly hope you like it cause i know i dont.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:50 am 
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1. like binturong said, dark attribute is optional for doombringers, until Gracia Final it won't be usable. So your shizzle dark resist is not changing anything
2. Vitalize, yes, I know, but the problem is, sweetheart, it's a combo - bleedrush+contagion.
3. How many souls? optionally, five for each skill, for 30% increase in damage. a doombringer can have a max of 40 souls, but all skills, except for final form, do not require souls.
4.I have MEN that is equal to the MEN of the TH/HE/DA/Pala/Glad. Nuff said.
5. Welcome to LineageII Throne 1+ The race of Kamael is the only race to have mdef passive skills from lvl 1.(I was being sarcastic, RTFM). I will give you an example. I am berserker 58 lvl, Top C + BO rings, all of them common(no enchant possible), newbie buff(masicly magic barrier 2)+ soul barrier. mdef is 1204. read again. think again. As for HP, yes, it's low, that's why I have a skill to fill me up(100% HP self heal, reuse is 35 min.)
6.Welcome Again to Lineage Post C4, where WIT lost it's signifficance as a resistance modifier. It's MEN that counts from the stats, but stats by themselves are worth very little(1-2% per stat point), it's passive skills and buffs/equip that are the killer. And Like I said, Berserk/Doombringer has a skill that is identical to Glad/Destro Lionheart(for those of our readers, who have not tried other chars than the imba :roll: EE, Lionheart is a 1min 80% resist to sleep/root/para/stun) Thank you, come again.
7. The only known way to lose contact with a doombringer is to stun him and then get the F*ck out. Since you can't do that, you can assume he will always be on top of you(3 of his rushes have no cooldown, i.e. can be chained.)


Ok..ok...from your teory seems imbatable...and I still wonder why we don't have ,don't heard...dont see anywhere those almyghty doombringers.
I see ee/bishops everywhere...but no doombringers rulling the oly. No one knows your teory no ??? Pls make your post bigger and post it on all sites...maibe some will read your crap...and maybe we gonna have those imbatables chars on any server.
Yesterday I have tryed in oly and coliseum too...to beat some doombringers....Guess what - I have lose only 1 mach !!! Only 1 ..I wonder why if they are so powerfull ??? ....All players that I have asked to fight with me...just to check something...sad the same thing....I can't catch up with this f.cked ee....you heal to much....I have fight against 5-6 different guys...so I don't think they are all nubs. ...There was about 20-25 fights ...and only 1 defeat lollll....So I don't believe you dude...all you say is just teory.
The maches in colli was self buffed .
In tallum light and self buffed -the highest dmg received by me it was 1300 from skill lolooolll I heal for 1 k in 0.3 sec ....
I give 900 dmg per skill(solar flare) and I can cast minimum 2-3 skills per sec....and you are so sure you can win :lol:
Disarm landed only 1 time so I guess it's land rate is realy low.
So...I think all you say in your post is just teory ...or it can happens on outside pvp field...but not in oly.
You never saw a ee fight...I bet for this...cuz when Sekurel said...lands 3 nukes...you where laughting...thats my prof that you have never fight against ee on inquisitor mode...did you see he's cast speed on inquisit ??? It will knok you down in 2-3 sec...you don't even know what hit you lol...
Btw...you make a try just like I did...fight with some ee with nuke auguments...and tell me what happend....then come again and prove to us that a doombringer is a GOD in oly....cuz a huge list of "IF IT LANDS " skills and a simply teory ...I don't believe !

PS. Did I mentioned that this f.cked ee was my first and last char ????Did I mentioned that this is my main char ???
I guess not...so don't make crapy jokes about someone that you don't know...my first and most favorite char was a SK....and I will never play gay chars like Kamaels...those are for the new generation of L2emo.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:58 pm 
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Maybe on your "JustLikeRetail" server disarm lands with a crappy rate. It has a base value of 80%, there's no resist. Ofc, you have to OE it if you're fighting againt high lvl chars, does it actually enchant on your server? Retail, my first pvp with a berserker versus EE was with a clan member, who has more than one year of playing EE/ES in java/C4mod servers. me 68 lvl, him 75. I did not use souls in this fight, still came within an inch of killing him. In his words "If you were hitting me just a little bit harder, I'd be gone" My guess is on your (crappy) server the skills of the kamael don't work properly(reason for that - all over your posts). Combined with the fact that on FS servers kamaels are played "to see what the fuss is all about" it's pretty convincing you haven't fought a well equipped and well played doombringer. Oh and the fact that his 3rd job skillbooks are found in the higher levels of Hellbound, drop only. Maybe on your older chronicle(I'm guessing here since I don't know where you play) servers, where the kamael skills aren't up to date, it's easy to kill one. I don't know, I haven't played berserker in Throne 1/Hellbound. And I'm not saying a doombringer is a pwnmachine, he's not. But don't judge the capability of the well played and well equipped doombringer that has all his skills, based only on your server's berserks. You can't be winning in PvP if your skills aren't doing what they're supposed to do and/or you don't have access to all of your skills. A small example: How would you feel if PoWater gave you PoWind effects?

P.S. I was laughing on the whole "He lands 3 nukes BEFORE you reach him" which is stupid, since a ready doombringer will be already in range when the fight starts. And yes, I've seen the ES in inquisitor mode. He's mighty.

And since you will keep on dismissing and reading only what suits you, I won't waste my time any more.

P.S.S. it tHeory, not teory; Actually there are a lot of mistakes in your posts, you might try to use some spellchecker. I'm not saying you're a moron who doesn't speak english, it's just that a good presentation much more readable than a bad one. And people's first impression is made not by what you're saying, but how you say it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:55 pm 
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Yes...it may be from the server..maibe skills don't work well.
If you play on official server..well..I might believe you...but if you play on another "Retail like" just like me....maibe your server is bugged...or maibe my sv...
Someone said that before...that he doesn't found a good sv where all Kamael skills are ok.
We might be wrong both of us....don't know for sure.
Yes...I was talking about the Kamaels from my server and the server oly sistem...that's why I might be wrong in my affirmations.
Server is Gracia 2 and all the required books can be found...but like I said before...I can't guarantee about the skills functionality.
I think you can undestand why I was so ferm when I said that about EE...because on my server on oly Kamael's sucks...
About my english....just lol...It's not perfect :cry: and it won't be ever because I'm not english and I'm sure that none will accept to talk in general forum in italian , romanian or franch language ...but I think it's ok if ppl undestand what I have to say in my post...
I hope it's undestandable... :P

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I play the russian retail(it's localised, like the japanese, the SEAsia and the Chinese servers, but for Russia), currently Gracia 1. I don't think we'll be getting a separate gracia 2 update, INNOVA said they most likely will be jumping straight to Gracia Final. I played the gracia 1 on teon first, then moved to the russian. To see what a Kamael is capable of, there are a few movies, most of them oly movies. Try searching for "Z1ob" in youtube, it's oly fights from Teon. see ya :)

P.S. Everything's understandable and I've seen worse english written by Americans, so don't worry ;) But I would still look for a spellchecker if I were you, but that's just me :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:04 pm 
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torongill wrote:
I play the russian retail(it's localised, like the japanese, the SEAsia and the Chinese servers, but for Russia), currently Gracia 1. I don't think we'll be getting a separate gracia 2 update, INNOVA said they most likely will be jumping straight to Gracia Final. I played the gracia 1 on teon first, then moved to the russian. To see what a Kamael is capable of, there are a few movies, most of them oly movies. Try searching for "Z1ob" in youtube, it's oly fights from Teon. see ya :)

P.S. Everything's understandable and I've seen worse english written by Americans, so don't worry ;) But I would still look for a spellchecker if I were you, but that's just me :roll:


Nice vids, never had a kamael before, i might try one especially after seeing some destroyer ownage :P


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Sekkurel wrote:
ee goes to battle in inquisitor mode lands 3 nukes before you reach him ( even with rushes ) so cp + a little hp is down
you manage to hurt him ( get him to 50 % hp ) he sleeps you and changes to healer and is now ful hp and after that he will go inquisitor and rape you again with nukes ( we also consider that you also incured dmg while trying to get him to 50 % hp )
also he has block ww 2 buffs for shield def making his shield def very high for a mage not to mention clarity mana burn powa block ww and a lot others
honestly he is an olly beast
HE CAN BE BEAT but very hard and with a lot of luck

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honestly you have 80 % resist to stuff for 1 min
ok let me guess you cant spam that :)
also as far as i have seen they go in light armor ( draconic ) when fighting fighters so they can have more pdef ( passive + the pdef from armor )
its a little harder with inquisitor mode because with it you cant imdiatly heal when your almost dead
if you have nuke augment your imba
nuke nuke nuke run heal heal heal and repeat
and as far as i know you cant exactly spam those rushes without any mana right ???
so he has 1k hp left and you no mana and have block ww/powa and on you
what does he do ?? oh yeah run and heal making him full hp and you still manaless and slow
believe what you want the facts are here
just because YOU can pwn a ee in oly doesnt mean that the ee will always die in front of a kamael berzerker ( or w/e )

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Let's put it that way... Show me movies from the olympiad fights on retail(teon for example) where ES beats and pwns the sh1t of everyone in the movie. But please no luna. The olympic fights in Luna are a joke, with people fighting in common armor and stuff and really dumb fighting skills(OL takes a bow and starts shooting a SwS with a bow under UD... for example).

For Olympiad movies showing the doombringer, type Z1ob in Youtube. Or nappy. But of course, you won't.

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its stupid to explain to a guy that thinks his class in unbeatable
ok listen
ee can be beat by any class
with a little luck and skill
but in ee vs doombringer the ee has more chances to win then doombringer imo

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SHOW me movies, from retail(except for luna), where ES is killing left and right in oly. The only, the only way ES can beat anyone in oly is for him to have nuke augment/inquisitor and follow the formula "nuke, nuke, nuke, trance, run, heal, heal, heal" rinse and repeat. So I asked you, what if the doombrinder has an mdef augment? His mdef will be in the 2k+ while you try nuking him. And I'm not talking out of my ass here, here, grab this:
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jewels are top C common and bo rings common. the mdef buff you see is a newbie buff, equals to magic barrier 2.

Nuking the doombringer through this? You'll be hitting him fo 300-400 per nuke. So you try to trance him. Like I said, 80% resist, that is without the 76 lvl passive skill. So you can keep on trancing, while he hits you. Run? If you don't sleep/root/para/stun the doombringer, you will run away only if HE lets you(rushes, the cheapest of them is 20mana and is chainable). heal yourself? yes you can do that, but you can't nuke/trance and heal yourself at the same time now, can you? And I'm not saying a doombringer is indestructible. Noone is, but once you get the Rush Impact you become quite overpowered. In mass pvp it's even worse, the only time you lose is when changing targets, since the no reuse lets you keep the hotkey pressed. And like I said earlier, you could see what a well equipped doombringer is capable of, but you won't.

Just to keep you from selfownage(again), this is the official, licensed, localised, russian server. Not C4 mod, not java Gracia part 4 or whatever.

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Taken 5 min. ago, russian official server, server Ramsheart(the 3rd one)
jewels are top C common and bo rings common. the mdef buff you see is a newbie buff, equals to magic barrier 2.


That last selfbuff is soul barrier isnt it?
"Spread soul shield. Increase resistance to arrow and M. Def. resistance."

It seems to be some sort of "magic UD" for a couple of seconds (i watched z1ob's oly movie, and he used it many times)... its not too hard to have such mdef with it - but its only a few seconds, after it, your mdef won't be so high (the same as a human tank's i suppose because of same MEN and mdef passives), and trance will have more chance to land. Even having mental shield and that courage selfbuff if it gives sleep resistance.
Ofc, rushes can stop EE, but your scrshot doesnt give a stable value of mdef but a momentary only.

For me, it's like..... "haha, i am unbeatable! bishop pwns all!" (using celestial shield, and a well captured picture as a glad makes a crit TSS and no damage)

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Hi, yes, that's the soul barrier, it's 10sec, doubles your mdef before passives and halves the arrow damage. True, it's only 10 sec, but it's enough to blunt the opening nukes decisively, while you stun/disarm the enemy. Hell, even disarm is up to 6 seconds. You need fast reactions and fingers to play the berserker. Still nothing compared to the piano playing that is required from a good soulbreaker. At least I can put my skills in the 3 hotbars:)

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