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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:40 am 
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LOL linken. Ok buddy, thats exactly the kind of servers we're NOT taking into considerations here (or else I'm in the wrong place).
We're not talking about +50 weapons and other things like that here.
And probably if the Duelist had +50 duels and tattoo of power like you too he would of won.
But anyway...back to regular, retail like discussions.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:29 pm 
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Now the BTB 5 efect of a staff or whatever mage SA on a mage weapon only aplies than when, the charachter is casting a good spell on himself, i dont know of any magic skill that the duelist has :) so thats not an option. A gladiator can kill a destro but not with that gear. About the +50 weapons thats another thing. Unbuffed destro with DS 6+ in frenzy and rage 8k-10k atack ( maybe more with dyes ), zealot gives crit power, + armor crush ( decrease def ) realy u cant win. But from tha shot i get to think that the destro only used skills and skills does not increse there dmg from a higher p.atack the increase is min so if the destro was only using armor crush ,doom crush ,fatal strike and no normal hits :) than he must be a not so expirienced player.


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PaaGRIO, any selfbuff is considered good magic my friend. If you do Lionheart, Battle Roar, War Cry, Duelist Spirit or even Sonic Focus, they all are considered good magic as in the SA's description and will give you the BtB SA. You can test this yourself. Get a staff with BtB SA and do sonic focus and in a couple of tries you will have BtB.

So that is an option.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:28 pm 
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BladeReaper wrote:
LOL linken. Ok buddy, thats exactly the kind of servers we're NOT taking into considerations here (or else I'm in the wrong place).
We're not talking about +50 weapons and other things like that here.
And probably if the Duelist had +50 duels and tattoo of power like you too he would of won.
But anyway...back to regular, retail like discussions.
oki man gladi have shances but ....on c4 destro win c5 and c6 is different. He makes big crits but and destro makes big crits with fatal and doom . And dont forget frenzy . Yeah u are write : In low rate server i think gladi will win. but on pvp destro > gladi


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I'm not talking about servers with x100.000 rates and weapons that can be enchanted up to +900. And if you're still playing c4 you're two chronicles behind my friend.
I could just as well make my own server and make dwarves invincible with custom skills and come here and tell you guys dwarves own every possible class and what combinations to use.
But I'm not doing that, I'm talking from the perspective of a retail player.

And on retail, in this day and age, a Duelist will own a Titan just as well as a Titan can own him.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:53 am 
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BladeReaper wrote:
PaaGRIO, any selfbuff is considered good magic my friend. If you do Lionheart, Battle Roar, War Cry, Duelist Spirit or even Sonic Focus, they all are considered good magic as in the SA's description and will give you the BtB SA. You can test this yourself. Get a staff with BtB SA and do sonic focus and in a couple of tries you will have BtB.

So that is an option.


I`ll try that but did u do it on retail ? Cause the skills u mentioned are phisical skills so i dont see how can the SA works with them.?


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:wink: it won't
only when using magic skill like might, shield etc and these are physical skills.

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Yes, they do. They work just fine. Have you tried it and it didn't work for you JeSe? PaaGRIO, just try it and you will see I am right :)

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maybe i'm that lucky that after 15 selfbuffs the SA BTB still didn't work. ^^

Yup I'm unlucky :@

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If focus sonic is a magic skill than force blaster is a magic skill too and :) i`ll get a SOM:magic silence and PWN mages :D nah i still havent tryed that but pls tell me did u try that on offi or a private server ? cause i`m almost 100% sure its not offi ;) i`ll check it out tonight on hindemith but ...


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BladeReaper wrote:
I'm not talking about servers with x100.000 rates and weapons that can be enchanted up to +900. And if you're still playing c4 you're two chronicles behind my friend.I could just as well make my own server and make dwarves invincible with custom skills and come here and tell you guys dwarves own every possible class and what combinations to use.But I'm not doing that, I'm talking from the perspective of a retail player.And on retail, in this day and age, a Duelist will own a Titan just as well as a Titan can own him.
no newb i am playing C6 server and i am GM !  and stop with your 10000x rates ....some dudes are tired of hard gaming . They want some fun on pvp servers


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Well i finaly got a chance to check it out seems i was right :) u can NOT activate a magic weapon SA with phisical skills so i`m sure u play on some verry bugged shit :) if u can triget BTB5 on SOES with focus sonic or whatever self buff of a warrior .


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:23 am 
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The kye is to know when to retreat when you see that Destro is lunching auras better charge yourseld to 5 then Sonic Move and try to kite hime for another 30 sec problem is that his spd grows on Zelot so it is rather hard and Sm works only for 15 sec... but you can tray Sonic Barrier ans obtain another few sec... and my good advice is - don't go for oly without sonic rage charging yourself takes to much time without taking dmg to your enemy :? gl :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:08 am 
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BladeReaper wrote:
Sometimes the Duelist wins, sometimes the Titan will. It depends who uses his skills better and which one gets luckier in crits too.
A glad has the advantage of charging his sonics and nuking so he doesn't have to be near the Titan. But that would give the Titan time to use Guts and Zealot or Frenzy and Zealot. So most Duelist approach the melee playstyle. Get up close, use your sonics in a combo and instill major damage. Some people will say, yes but if the Titan uses a bow he will have range combat abilities too. True, but compare the damage of a titan with 2-handed sword and the damage done with a bow (2h > bow) since last I checked Titan had no bow masteries at all.

Someone said previously that the Duelist is a hero and he used hero skills (Miracle I think was invoked) but surprise, suprise, this is a Olympiad match and you can't make use of Heroic skills (maybe on certain crap private servers you can) so we rule that out of the question.

And something else you have not taken into consideration so far that I see of, in Olympiad you can only make use of self-buffs (no pots, scrolls, etc) BUT there are weapons whose SAs will give you certain buffs such as Bless the Body, effect 5 / Focus, effect 3 / Mental Shield, effect 4 and if the Duelist had, say Focus and Bless the Body then he could of whitstand the Titan's damage and outdo himself by killing the Titan. Moreso, a Duelist has Battle Roar which also restores a certain ammount of HP aside to increasing your maximum HP. So, if you had Bless the Body 5 and use Battle Roar during the fight to restore your HP, you have all the more chances of winning. Yes, the Titan has Battle Roar too but if he used it before the match to increase his Max HP, he will not have it ready in time to heal him during the match.

All in one, a Duelist CAN kill a Titan, just as well as a Titan can kill a Duelist. It's all about knowledge to do so, if you ask me.
Well said, It's how the person control the character.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:25 am 
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PaaGRIO most of gladis from retail use the SoeS w/ btb from C4 and even in ply every glad has btb , so it's works .. check again ^^ And why did you compare Focus Sonic that is sort of a buff with an skill that inflicts damage ? And how can you own mages by useing SoM w/ Focus Sonic .. hmm do you even know the skills of this class?


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