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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:31 pm 
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But i still sustain sr. The snipe immobilises you. Again, i was not talking of a pvp between them. Maybe in archer pvp he wins. Not in archer vs dagger, you see... Or archer vs tank... Or archer vs any else melees.

Yea, snipe imobililses u, but sif HE or other archers in c5 kite :p
Archer vs dagger , daggers win cuz of of UE, while UE doesnt affect
dagger blows land rate :p Archer vs tank, C5 tanks can rape any archer
easily. and vs other melees , still HE is better :p

I don't know where you got your broken info, maybe some l2J crap...
But everyone knows SR is crappy char...
And C5 is archer chronicle, most clans are archer based...
so HE is best char in full support pvp wise :p


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mariosxx wrote:
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But i still sustain sr. The snipe immobilises you. Again, i was not talking of a pvp between them. Maybe in archer pvp he wins. Not in archer vs dagger, you see... Or archer vs tank... Or archer vs any else melees.

Yea, snipe imobililses u, but sif HE or other archers in c5 kite :p
Archer vs dagger , daggers win cuz of of UE, while UE doesnt affect
dagger blows land rate :p Archer vs tank, C5 tanks can rape any archer
easily. and vs other melees , still HE is better :p

I don't know where you got your broken info, maybe some l2J crap...
But everyone knows SR is crappy char...
And C5 is archer chronicle, most clans are archer based...
so HE is best char in full support pvp wise :p

Be sure it was an l2j crap. I made lvl 78, a destro, a th comes to me, i rape him like 5 goddamn minutes. Then with 4-5 blows he kills me. A destro with 16k hp, imagine that. The th wasn't uber equipped, just full s-grade like me. Then i look at the damage. I did NO damage with skills such as armor crush/crush of doom.

Maybe you are right about sr. I haven't played interlude with sr, only pr and he's fairly good. In c4 sr is very good especially anti th.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:41 pm 
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Snipe is a skill that can be used ONLY in mass pvp where noone sees u are activating it :). Its useless in pvp on 1vs1.What do u think a sr will do when he sees u using snipe ? maybe run in a safe distance :) ? yes and after tant what ? Snipe over what does a SR do ? hit UE + Rapid fire , but he is not imobilized :) and yes his acurasy, speed, a.speed is higher than yours :) u barely hit him with normal hits, so what u gotta use only skills - with your low atack speed the reuse delay of your skills is bigger, wile the SRs skills recharge almost instantly. I still say HE can`t beat SR. However the guy speaks abouth PR and HE so yea between DE and human go for human. DEs are just not meant for pvp, except their dagger maybe but dunno :) low HP = fast death.


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Snipe is a skill that can be used ONLY in mass pvp where noone sees u are activating it :). Its useless in pvp on 1vs1.What do u think a sr will do when he sees u using snipe ? maybe run in a safe distance :) ? yes and after tant what ? Snipe over what does a SR do ? hit UE + Rapid fire , but he is not imobilized :) and yes his acurasy, speed, a.speed is higher than yours :) u barely hit him with normal hits, so what u gotta use only skills - with your low atack speed the reuse delay of your skills is bigger, wile the SRs skills recharge almost instantly. I still say HE can`t beat SR. However the guy speaks abouth PR and HE so yea between DE and human go for human. DEs are just not meant for pvp, except their dagger maybe but dunno :) low HP = fast death.



i just cant stop laffing :D


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hbsr wrote:
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Snipe is a skill that can be used ONLY in mass pvp where noone sees u are activating it :). Its useless in pvp on 1vs1.What do u think a sr will do when he sees u using snipe ? maybe run in a safe distance :) ? yes and after tant what ? Snipe over what does a SR do ? hit UE + Rapid fire , but he is not imobilized :) and yes his acurasy, speed, a.speed is higher than yours :) u barely hit him with normal hits, so what u gotta use only skills - with your low atack speed the reuse delay of your skills is bigger, wile the SRs skills recharge almost instantly. I still say HE can`t beat SR. However the guy speaks abouth PR and HE so yea between DE and human go for human. DEs are just not meant for pvp, except their dagger maybe but dunno :) low HP = fast death.



i just cant stop laffing :D


any reasonable sugestion that u can think of that can support the laughter or u just like "laFFing" basicly :) ?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:12 pm 
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lol dude... xD
Snipe can be used in any pvp...
And since RF gives u - att range..
Snipe gets better :D

And lol ye, run till snipe is over....
And HE can re-snipe 10 seconds after its done lol
Snipe is good in any situation...
U just must be smart enough to know when and WHERE to use it...

And lmao...ye SR has higher accuracy (2) lol
And 50 more att speed ...lol...ye
And i guess, HE which has better HP/CP/Resist stun/dmg output/crit rate and dmg will lose...yea ;/....lol

Dude get your facts str8


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PMfun.com must make there own test server :) where we can login and prove our theories. U think u are right i know i`m right but in a forum i cant show it to u :) so. u must know everything i post is from my own experience. About the snipe reuse 10 secs - O realy :) ?


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PaaGRIO wrote:
any reasonable sugestion that u can think of that can support the laughter or u just like "laFFing" basicly :) ?


u made me laught when u said that DE's have low hp.
78 lvl fully buffed pr (- 5 con)
hp=6600

78 lvl fully buffed sr (-5 con)
hp=6900

HE has like 1k more hp that these 2. but still it is not that much imo. comparing to the destro pr has low hp yeah, but to the other archers especially that GREATEST unbeatable sr 300 hp diference really hurts lol.kkthx


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:48 pm 
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PaaGRIO wrote:
PMfun.com must make there own test server :) where we can login and prove our theories. U think u are right i know i`m right but in a forum i cant show it to u :) so. u must know everything i post is from my own experience. About the snipe reuse 10 secs - O realy :) ?


I have sub HE on L2off server...
With PP buffs + zerk snipe delay is 10-15 secs max.

And again, as a HE I never lost 1 on 1 to any other archer...
I have MJL and carnage...
Your theories are not based on experience....
I have played 2 archers in C5, HE and PR...never SR...
Some RL friends played SR on x5 server and rerolled....
Only + I see on SR is that he is god in oly cuz of selfbuffs ...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:07 pm 
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First of all Mario go in oly and see how Evade Shot works vs He . Second as Human the main stat are Str and Con so if you add +5 Dex you will get shit . Snipe can be used is Siege or 1 on 1 Arena and nothing more , only a naab would snipe in open pvp he would be dead in an instant . The He got those nice passiv skills because of the lack of Dex ( get some info about Dex and think a little and you will see i'm right ) . Imo Sr the best with that Rapid Fire but after lvl 79 when he get's archery , Pr w/ DeadEye can blow you away real fast . For me Human Class are for newbies when it come's to dagger / archer class and tank as well ( for the tank i only talk about DA , with the pally is another thing ^^ ) . Someone sayd around here that He has allmost the same crit rate as Sr , i don't belive this YOU LACK 5 DEX if the Sr adds another 5 Dex he crit's like crazy if you add 5 Dex you will be the same :D


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lmfao...

HE with snipe has more crit rate than SR nab...
Also...what? eva shot? lol...
yeah its not bad...gives +6 evasion.....
It will make other archer miss like 1/5 shot more....thats it... :P
Also, all archers get archery at IL at 79...
And + dex gives shitty difference, +4 dex on unbuffed SR gives:
2 accuracy
5 crit rate
12 att speed w/ slow bow
5 speed
1 evasion

Thats it :D

And a nab would snipe in open field?
You think in open fields such as siege fields archer would be alone?
Do snipe-lines mean something to you? lmao

Do your schoolin' before you post.

Edit: TH is better than AW/PW till 77 cuz at 78 PW/AW get focus death lol..
Dont forget TH has both trick and switch and has much hp...
Tanks ionno, never played em, but Pala has AI :d


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:38 pm 
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PaaGRIO wrote:
Snipe is a skill that can be used ONLY in mass pvp where noone sees u are activating it :). Its useless in pvp on 1vs1.What do u think a sr will do when he sees u using snipe ? maybe run in a safe distance :) ? yes and after tant what ? Snipe over what does a SR do ? hit UE + Rapid fire , but he is not imobilized :) and yes his acurasy, speed, a.speed is higher than yours :) u barely hit him with normal hits, so what u gotta use only skills - with your low atack speed the reuse delay of your skills is bigger, wile the SRs skills recharge almost instantly. I still say HE can`t beat SR. However the guy speaks abouth PR and HE so yea between DE and human go for human. DEs are just not meant for pvp, except their dagger maybe but dunno :) low HP = fast death.


have u ever heard of "blessing of sagittarius" ? o.O

DE's not MEANT for PvP ? LOOL they are especialy made for pvp

PR= a killer (especialy on c4)
AW= very good dagger ( PW is better IMO)
SH= tones of damage
mass pvp :

BD= best assistan char
SE= emp, wm for mages => death for ememy + great heals
powind for dagger => nowhere to run

also, DE fighters have HEX and power break and many other debuffs wich humans do not have

u can't say that those debuffs are meant to be used in PvE :lol:


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Dude if you Snipe in open pvp you would be main target for de-buff attack's and you should start praying that no melle class is near you . Do not mistake the open pvp with siege .. and the Dex is mesured in % and after 38 Dex the Elf class get's like 2% crit rate and more .. so 2% it's not 5 crit rate . You should start play some real l2 and stop playing on bull server's. All HE from retail complained about Eva Shot in Oly ... i belive you donno what evasion you can make with an Sr at 40 Dex / Draconic Armor +6 and Eva Shot so please go back to c2 and let the Interlude guyz play . By the way after C4 at end-game all Adventure Sux , the only skill that you have is Dash .. hmm .. GH / WR have Blinding Blow that > Dash from far . 1 on 1 with every other dageer Th will lose ... and if you ask yourself why well Human have lowest Men so WR will easyly land Entangle and if you whana talk about GH maybe Sting + Bleed + Poison tell's you something and ofc FS + Hex + PB so stop playing server's where dot dosen't work and learn real l2 .


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AW= very good dagger ( PW is better IMO)

You make a pw and me an aw and see who owns who? The damage output of aw is not comparable with the pw. Add hex too and you're dead. It's like the sr vs he. He wins. Here aw wins because of good success rate combined with way better critical damage. You should really stop saying all this pw vs aw cause theoretically it's not comparable. With skill you can kill an aw, yes.

@ mariosxx. Remember that evasion has an important role. And 6 evasion is not nothing combined with natural evasion and the ultimate evasion.


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Icarus wrote:
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AW= very good dagger ( PW is better IMO)

You make a pw and me an aw and see who owns who? The damage output of aw is not comparable with the pw. Add hex too and you're dead. It's like the sr vs he. He wins. Here aw wins because of good success rate combined with way better critical damage. You should really stop saying all this pw vs aw cause theoretically it's not comparable. With skill you can kill an aw, yes.

@ mariosxx. Remember that evasion has an important role. And 6 evasion is not nothing combined with natural evasion and the ultimate evasion.


consider them being...self buffed only-> PW = magic barrier => unaffected by hex

pw has grater speed
pw has grater dex => increse blow succes rate

even if AW uses freezing strike, PW still has sprint self buff

AW is good dagger but PW>AW

anyway it depends on the playstyle :P


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