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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:23 pm 
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coldy wrote:
Sekkurel wrote:
eah its true that some fighters dont really need dex that much
but most of them do :)
yeah its that zealot compensates for it but you cant really spam it
and yeah on the glady its a must that - dex

So you recomand -9 dex for tyrants and glads?And what about PVE...
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed... :lol:
Perhaps something like that.Don't you think so? :?

show me 1 glad that kills using only duals
he is a skill spammer and unlike daggers his skills dont miss


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Sekkurel wrote:
coldy wrote:
Sekkurel wrote:
eah its true that some fighters dont really need dex that much
but most of them do :)
yeah its that zealot compensates for it but you cant really spam it
and yeah on the glady its a must that - dex

So you recomand -9 dex for tyrants and glads?And what about PVE...
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed
you have missed... :lol:
Perhaps something like that.Don't you think so? :?

show me 1 glad that kills using only duals
he is a skill spammer and unlike daggers his skills dont miss


If u didnt notice he talked about pve
skills are not used so often at pvp but anyhow these dyes are for when u start pvp


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Man, the biggest advantage of a Tyrant is his speed, atk speed and critical rate (not just with totems, but without them to), and all these stats are influenced by dex. Already u have good str and con ( u're an orc, what the hell?), so it's better to go +dex - con and +str -con. With a puma u'll interrupt the castnig of any mages once u start hiting them :D.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:14 am 
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No Dyes.
Zealot+Bison (if u can stay in 30% of hp)
Normal Hits.
Critical Hit!
Critical Hit!
Critical Hit!

If not.
Zealot +Puma
Normal Hits. :)


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I will give dyes -9 dex(+4str and +5 con) only for oly fight, but on pvp, i will give +4str -4 con, because if you have dragon splinter +crit stun, your target will have only stars around his head:) (I usually use hawk totem-crit rate and crit damage +++)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:01 pm 
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CON+4 DEX-4 / STR+5 DEX-5


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This is a bit insane to go for -9 Dex for Tyrant Imo the tyrants are fast atk. spd.-Dex machines, so I doesn't think you should lower the biggest and perhaps the best of yours ability - fast atk.spd., you better go -9con, ofc it will be hard to do zealot, but without it you'll be hardly defeatable to any kind of class, especcialy robes and light armors,cause of +5str/dex +4dex/str -con :o :wink:


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1v1 with my dye setup versus yours? Guess who would win?

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Rokasas wrote:
This is a bit insane to go for -9 Dex for Tyrant Imo the tyrants are fast atk. spd.-Dex machines, so I doesn't think you should lower the biggest and perhaps the best of yours ability - fast atk.spd., you better go -9con, ofc it will be hard to do zealot, but without it you'll be hardly defeatable to any kind of class, especcialy robes and light armors,cause of +5str/dex +4dex/str -con :o :wink:

you think that decreasihg dex will actually make you slow ?
after - 9 dex you lose aboute 5 speed
hardly an important ammount considering you have 2 speed buffs and 1 passive for speed

vs anyfighter i got + con + str - dex ( you have fist fury puma zealot haste passive so your attack speed is pretty good even with - 9 dex ) vs mages i would go the same and use ogre :)
since you both have range you can easily kill him since the battle between you 2 will be 1 of endurance ( the 1 with most hp will win so thats you :)
also vs archer you can always use wolf and spam skills :)

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Demiurgia wrote:
No,is a wrong decision!Tyrant need +DEX in a first place,then +STRand -CON.That is my opinion,but u may stay at your opinion. :)


Bullshit. Tyrant needs HP. If u hate to cut DEX soo much then use only +5 CON dyes. But I say again, tyrant is not the DEX char. It is Con+STR. Attack speed is ok thx to fist fury and totems. Do not worry.

On the other hand if u use health weapon and +CON dyes combined with BTB6 PoF and Song of Vitality your HP will be around 18kk. I think it is kinda cool.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:11 pm 
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sekkurel do u play retail coz on gracia glad skilsl got chance to miss :P
and -con o tyrant ? lul u wana go hard core mode and die from fuve nukes when u are on 30% hp gl then.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:21 pm 
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tyrant is kinda hard class to make good dyes for him. if u go -con, u lose loads of HP, and u get stunned more, if u go -dex u lose crit rate, evation, atk speed... and with -str, u lose stun rate.
i mostl avoid putting dyes on him, until very end of game, (in PVP, u can go +dex a bit, but never -con)so, u really must know what u are about to do with tyrant.


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to all ppl who thinks that -9dex on tyr is tragedy

its about 16 a speed less and 4-5 speed - its nothing
on end game pvp go 4/5 con str -9dex


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first of all crit stun fist is utter shit only works on l2j
second of all fist = blunt = low crit rate so ---- dex means shit to a tyrant
second of all losing speed means what? most of the time u pvp with wolf totem it gives speed and u nuke around a bit or use hurricane
third the lose in attack speed is nothing

why every1 goes +5/4 str and +4/5 con and -9 dex = cus of bison

wanna xp like a mad cow go +4/5 con atleast cus more hp means faster 30% hp means more crits
the +5/4 str is up to u, u probally dont need it in pve though its 100% beter then havin a bit more dex but w/e
in pvp u do want +4/5 str because skill crits go tru str hence more str means more skill crits

dex means shit to tyrant if u can play a tyrant u go -9 dex
if u cant play a tyrant and think like some morons here omg attack speed tyrant meng crit rate(this 1 made me lol in rl) meng dont nerf dex ur a retard
also accuracy lose is made up by totems which give +++accuracy a fist gives ++ accuracy evasion on orc doesnt exist

health fist + health setup = win the +4/5 str is up to ur self


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