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for mass pvp you would take....?
HE 46%  46%  [ 19 ]
PR 54%  54%  [ 22 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:56 am 
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xcrsitos sry but your wrong about PR deadeye you said it doesnt give patk bonus
HEre is skill description from pmfun database:

Temporarily increases your Accuracy, P. Atk., and Critical Attack Power when using a bow. While in effect, your Atk. Spd. decreases. Obviously, an equipped bow is required to use this skill. Effect 1.
also the Human cant reach same str as DE or same dex as Elves if they have same sets dyes :)

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looking just at the stats=being retarded
i pick PR because
1)his low base hp means almost nothing during a mass pvp
2)his dead eye allows him to kill robes with a single shot(or maybe 2)
3)i like DEs

the HE is not bad at all but imo dead eye>snipe(except siege maybe)

snipe turns u into a statue
ofc since gracia u can delete it with alt+click but still...


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"looking JUST at the stats..." What i was trying to say is that HE starts with huge advantage with that +6 in stats, but whatever...


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now since gracia u can just remove snipe with simple click so.. Snipe adds only bonuses no loss of any stat and in the same time move where ever on the battlefield and still use snipe
and for other player's notice on previous chronicles you can simply delete snipe from buff bar by just taking off the bow

and stop with the stupid bullshyt saying that PR doesn't die in mass pvp .. lol you think no one will ever hit you ? pfff PR's low con is major factor in pvp , healers can barely have time to heal them and the faster you die , the faster the enemy will target another ... with HE u wont have so problems like these , you can use elixirs in right time and remember an archer's life is always the CP potions and HE can carry alot AND whenever he is on the stage of dieing HE can just dash and run back fast and recover full CP/HP with elixirs and pots ofc PR's CON and speed does not allow to do that

PR can 1 shot mages with deadeye(slow atk speed) only if he crits ..... yeah right only if the enemy is on CH buffs ... HE can kill way faster from far away without even taking any damage

HEX? until you cast hex and finally kill target HE has already killed 2 and ofc you need atk speed to kill healers because they can outheal ur dmg on fullbuffs

@sekkurel HE with +5 str - con has much more patk than PR , while PR cant afford to put -5con , only if you are stupid and go kamikaze in every pvp without killing effective ... waste of party slot

and stop that shyt about HE being a noob class , l2 is not street fighter ... you need good gear to win and good organization in clan , ofc in 1vs1 HE does much more than PR


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WaZaWanGa wrote:
now since gracia u can just remove snipe with simple click so.. Snipe adds only bonuses no loss of any stat and in the same time move where ever on the battlefield and still use snipe
and for other player's notice on previous chronicles you can simply delete snipe from buff bar by just taking off the bow

and stop with the stupid bullshyt saying that PR doesn't die in mass pvp .. lol you think no one will ever hit you ? pfff PR's low con is major factor in pvp , healers can barely have time to heal them and the faster you die , the faster the enemy will target another ... with HE u wont have so problems like these , you can use elixirs in right time and remember an archer's life is always the CP potions and HE can carry alot AND whenever he is on the stage of dieing HE can just dash and run back fast and recover full CP/HP with elixirs and pots ofc PR's CON and speed does not allow to do that

PR can 1 shot mages with deadeye(slow atk speed) only if he crits ..... yeah right only if the enemy is on CH buffs ... HE can kill way faster from far away without even taking any damage

HEX? until you cast hex and finally kill target HE has already killed 2 and ofc you need atk speed to kill healers because they can outheal ur dmg on fullbuffs

@sekkurel HE with +5 str - con has much more patk than PR , while PR cant afford to put -5con , only if you are stupid and go kamikaze in every pvp without killing effective ... waste of party slot

and stop that shyt about HE being a noob class , l2 is not street fighter ... you need good gear to win and good organization in clan , ofc in 1vs1 HE does much more than PR


waza since when u can move with snipe on?

who fuking said that the pr never dies?
prs low con is not major factor during a mass pvp(the topic is about mass pvp my dear friend)

u mean u cant use elixirs with pr?

gimme a break if u get on a Main Targeters target u are dead for sure

pr can 1shot robes even when both sides have buffs(been there,seen that)

no1 said u will cast hex during mass pvp

u need atk spd?u need 1 crit to kill a healer and should i remind that only retardes dont have main targeter?the targeter picks the target and the pt members assist
outspam 4 archers now

if u are shooting from the walls with a pr imo u could go for 4con but thats only my opinion

u talk about good organisation while u dream of pr solo hitting something?

i agree that he is better in 1v1


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PR lvl 80 with drac bow and maj set with patk buffs ( co clan skills and no summon buff just might zerk and pof ) patk 3122

He same setup has 2832

this was done with l2calc and both had dyes + 5 str - 5 con :)
see any difference ?
i certanly do

you people dont actually get it that PR isnt made for all out fights
the PR is the assasin type comes shots kills then bb
he is the best imo in ganks and as long as his not a targeted he can really pwn :)

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HE. on mass pvp, it will be two fronts, just stand in such place where you can see everyone, turn snipe and kite every mage you can reach> every dagger you can see> every archer you can see

if (you're winning) and (enemies are no more at the range)
then delete buff and kite all of them
else move your ass out of the way spaming cp

(HE can hold enormous amount of cp, qhp, ghp potions)

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Sekkurel wrote:
PR lvl 80 with drac bow and maj set with patk buffs ( co clan skills and no summon buff just might zerk and pof ) patk 3122

He same setup has 2832

this was done with l2calc and both had dyes + 5 str - 5 con :)
see any difference ?
i certanly do

you people dont actually get it that PR isnt made for all out fights
the PR is the assasin type comes shots kills then bb
he is the best imo in ganks and as long as his not a targeted he can really pwn :)

both maj light and drac bow+0 dye +5str -5con

HE with might3 Gmight3 , zerk ,pof ,snipe ,=P.Atk. 3670

PR same buffs +deadeye = P.Atk. 3756

learn to use that calc

the difference is this : HE can wear drac ( -2con ) without any probs which means more pdef... while stun resist from majestic light for PR is a must and i dont see many PR to go -5con maybe for farming

@godsend u can move where ever cos u can actually cancel snipe at any time

and yes use of elixirs on such low con is hard to handle , HE has much HP/CP and can use them in right time and he replenish way more amount than PR cos elixirs work as % of ur stats


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still way more dps from the PR :)
and yeah i misscalculated my bad

anyway for defending a castel HE + snipe on wall is imba
when doing surprise attack and ganks PR is imba

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WaZaWanGa wrote:
Sekkurel wrote:
PR lvl 80 with drac bow and maj set with patk buffs ( co clan skills and no summon buff just might zerk and pof ) patk 3122

He same setup has 2832

this was done with l2calc and both had dyes + 5 str - 5 con :)
see any difference ?
i certanly do

you people dont actually get it that PR isnt made for all out fights
the PR is the assasin type comes shots kills then bb
he is the best imo in ganks and as long as his not a targeted he can really pwn :)

both maj light and drac bow+0 dye +5str -5con

HE with might3 Gmight3 , zerk ,pof ,snipe ,=P.Atk. 3670

PR same buffs +deadeye = P.Atk. 3756

learn to use that calc

the difference is this : HE can wear drac ( -2con ) without any probs which means more pdef... while stun resist from majestic light for PR is a must and i dont see many PR to go -5con maybe for farming

@godsend u can move where ever cos u can actually cancel snipe at any time

and yes use of elixirs on such low con is hard to handle , HE has much HP/CP and can use them in right time and he replenish way more amount than PR cos elixirs work as % of ur stats


sure but PR has hex/pb, and about hp/cp HE dont have way more... I've tryed it and I can tell u that - PR with 32 con had 500 more hp than HE with 35 con...its not about stats(race influence hp too ) its like why pw/aw have so much more speed than th while they have only 4/5 dex more...


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Pr, what question is that?

Btw: I can't believe how many people voted for HE.

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@godsend u can move where ever cos u can actually cancel snipe at any time

and yes use of elixirs on such low con is hard to handle , HE has much HP/CP and can use them in right time and he replenish way more amount than PR cos elixirs work as % of ur stats


waza go jamp fom a kliff!
this is pure bullshit!the snipe reuse aint that low to allow u to cancel it whenever u want and activate it after 10 seconds
u will have to run back or kite and etc

and back to elixirs--->bullshit again during mass pvp u have bishop u have cp pots and u proly have OLs


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waza go jump from acliff!
this is pure bullshit!the snipe reuse aint that low to allow u to cancel it whenever u want and activate it after 10 seconds
u will have to run back or kite and etc

and back to elixirs--->bullshit again during mass pvp u have bishop u have cp pots and u proly have OLs

He never said he'd be able to re activate it after 10 secs.
He said that when things get rough and he has to flee he can remove it.

And elixirs are really really really helpful.
So what if you have bish and CP pots and OLs?
Having all that + elixirs is way better.

On topic. PR has awesome spike damage.
Even tho he's slow he can 1 shot robes and sometimes light armors
if he has epics etc etc

But... I am not sure endgame it's so good. In ganks, prolly yeah.
But in stacked pvp, not really...
It's really gay that HE can hit valored robe for 2,5k and PR 3k lol..
So, end game imo HE since the best thing about PR vanishes :P

In non factor PvP i like PR :roll:

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PR got way better critical dmg which makes him the best archer for mass/sieges... for me archers are SR>PR>HE...SR owns everything,but his low range sux... PR can one hit almost every mage/even light users/and HE isnt that bad cuz he can bring tons of CP pots...snipe is cool too but I still think PR's dead eye is better


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