What do you guys think/know about destro/titans since the frenzy nerf?

1) Will destro/titans still be any good at RB or will they be replaced as I heard by berserkers?
2) Will they still be any good at AOE or will warlord finally take the place as best melee AOE fighter?
3) Will they loose their popular party spots due to frenzy nerf?
4) Will they still be any good at pvp?

http://l2calc.l2blah.com/
-> A destro in frenzy +zealot + rage + battle roar was a very powerfull enemy but now without the possibility to go over 30% hp? I calculated a destro with BTB 6, +5 con, Health weapon, COV, song of vitality, doom hvy, clan vitality lvl 3 -> 24300 HP -> at 30% thatleaves him with 7300 HP...

Share your knowledge or what you believe.

The frenzy nerf was not necessary. The vr nerf was enough. Both the warlord and the destro got nerfed at this stage. In an aoe the destro isn't so fucked as it seems, he will only keep his hp at around 30%, I've seen this at work. Thank god they put a 30% (or what was it?) minimum cap for vr.

Titans are replaced on RBs. Way too risky for 30% hp. One rb aoe means death.
In aoe, they pretty much balanced it. Warlords were absolutely useless, but now they can do steady aoe without the risks of having 30% hp.
But they will still be good in pvp. 30% of a destro's hp is enough. Plus that vs some classes, the destro just uses guts. Guts does not imply <30% hp to trigger.

23400 hp + guts pdef = walking battlecruiser coming to get you

-> Damn slow battle cruiser coming to get you if he ever touches you! Everybody knows that you can kite a destro/titan especially with +4 Str -4dex +5 con -5dex dyes. In zealot a destro/titan has a better chance to come near a kiter.

And yes, due to the new updates tactics will change to 30% hp -> guts + battle roar then when 30% HP again -> zealot + frenzy + rage.

Come on guys everybody knows about guts - in this topic i didnt loose a word about guts so far, i was inquiring about the frenzy nerf.

So please stick to topic. I am still expecting more comments related to the topic.

Remember there's also zealot. Not so slow now, are we?

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