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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:06 pm 
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Have you ever landed backstab after blinding blow?
I mean, if the other is not clicking anything sure.
Trick and switch are used to cancel skills mostly, stop pretending you know it all, lol.

And wtf are you talking about? Under 50 milisec lags etc etc
Cut your bullcrap, you make me laugh xD
Since every experienced player always has cursor on dagger when they 1v1,
retarget is no big problem. Unless you play on server full of newbs.

And really, how exactly are you gonna land 2 skills after BB from behind?
You really play on retarded server. I never turn back on any dagger
and no1 turns back to my dagger on Azure. Change server imo.

And about chances, your skill land rate thingy, is wrong.
I missed blows on my AW many times, even with MS and FD.
So you got smth wrong in that self-invented formula of yours.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:09 pm 
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OF course u missed many times with AW!!!
BEcause it was not a GH with focus death!!!

And sorry for that, but Icarus played 30% of his playtime with GH, i think he knows it a way better than you. He taught me lot of that class.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:11 pm 
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wel i came up with a strategy to kill daggers easily with my sph
first nuke what nuke you want
let him come close
then run
yes you heard me run and when he is near just click on a nuke so you can face him

the result

bs is gone he is a little riddled and uour ready to drain/nuke him :))

the moral of this shitty strategy

you CAN run from a dagger just face him when he tries bs :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:14 pm 
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Yeah, let's face a dagger with bluff :P


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:17 pm 
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Sekkurel wrote:
you CAN run from a dagger just face him when he tries bs :)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:22 pm 
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Yeah and if u get bluff and u get stun u are dead meat :P


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:23 pm 
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Shalana wrote:
OF course u missed many times with AW!!!
BEcause it was not a GH with focus death!!!

You can't read for shit, can you?

I said: I missed blows on my AW many times, even with MS and FD.
FD ,focus death = lvl 78 3rd class AW. Wasn't so hard to understand, was it?

And ofc if you turn face to aw he will facestab. Thats the point when playing versus dagger. You don't have to run. He will trick you or bluff you to go from back. Keep your cursor on him and you won't have problem.
Practice it a bit and you won't have a prob 1 vs 1 w/ daggers.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:21 pm 
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If you missed so many blows with ms + fd on, i'd advise YOU to change the server. And that formula is not invented, go check l2blah estimations on mortal strike and assassination (40% and 4-5% respectively). I said it and i repeat: somewhere between 94% and 98% is your blow land rate. When you're skilling from behind, if your server has its screws put on in the right way, you can't miss any blow under fd + ms.

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Have you ever landed backstab after blinding blow?
I mean, if the other is not clicking anything sure.
Trick and switch are used to cancel skills mostly, stop pretending you know it all, lol.

And wtf are you talking about? Under 50 milisec lags etc etc
Cut your bullcrap, you make me laugh xD
Since every experienced player always has cursor on dagger when they 1v1,
retarget is no big problem. Unless you play on server full of newbs.

And really, how exactly are you gonna land 2 skills after BB from behind?
You really play on retarded server. I never turn back on any dagger
and no1 turns back to my dagger on Azure. Change server imo.

And about chances, your skill land rate thingy, is wrong.
I missed blows on my AW many times, even with MS and FD.
So you got smth wrong in that self-invented formula of yours.

Yes, i have landed many backstabs after bb, but not at a perfect success rate. If the enemy knows daggers very well, he will know what's next after the blinding blow.
Trick and switch are used to cancel skill and ALSO to attempt to get behind an enemy. What, you just cancel his skill and you're satisfied with that? This is probably why you don't know daggers like you pretend you do. After ANY trick/switch you attempt to get behind an enemy, but you time your trick/switch in order to interrupt an enemy's skill and take his also. Nescafe 3 in 1.
About the lag... Just shut up if you don't know what i'm talking about. How are you gonna target in lag conditions? In lag conditions your enemy will be sharp to trick and he will run in the next instance, you don't even have time to target him -> backstab successful if you know how to put it. The only way is a macro.
And also, you think you will realise 100% of the chances when the enemy casts trick/switch? That means you never look in your skill or your chat log to see damages right? That's why most of dagger players lack intuition and can't predict when the enemy is going to die. It's all mathematical. You chase an enemy, backstab -> 3k damage, the enemy is a glad. How many backstabs do you need to kill him? 3, maybe 4 backstabs. What if he turns? Simple. 6-8 blows. Really hard.

Btw if you're stupid, i can land more than 2 blows in your back.

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Icarus wrote:
Btw if you're stupid, i can land more than 2 blows in your back.
That sums it up. Nice server you're playing :>

And you said it, estimations about blow land rate.
Estimations. Nothing's proven even, since it isn't clear how it works.
And I also heard it should be around 80% even with FD+MS on.
You don't know how formula works, and no1 proved it yet.
So you can keep your estimation about 100% skill land rate.
Imo go on your server and try it out and check for yourself :>

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:34 pm 
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mariosxx wrote:
Shalana wrote:
OF course u missed many times with AW!!!
BEcause it was not a GH with focus death!!!

You can't read for shit, can you?

I said: I missed blows on my AW many times, even with MS and FD.
FD ,focus death = lvl 78 3rd class AW. Wasn't so hard to understand, was it?


Sorry i thought u mean Moonlight Sentinel. I was thinking WTF are u noobish? :twisted:
And if u missed many times with Focus death go to a better server.
I miss too, but extreemely rarely. :P


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:34 pm 
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mariosxx wrote:
That sums it up. Nice server you're playing :>

And you said it, estimations about blow land rate.
Estimations. Nothing's proven even, since it isn't clear how it works.
And I also heard it should be around 80% even with FD+MS on.
You don't know how formula works, and no1 proved it yet.
So you can keep your estimation about 100% skill land rate.
Imo go on your server and try it out and check for yourself :>

I think i'm sick of blow land rate tests, really. I made tests on many servers and they purely coincide. You should change your server.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:53 am 
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th of course :) i have play all dagger classes many times and plains walker sux...maybe elfs have the best dex but...th has also skills for boost attack speed..also dash is very usefull for ultimate speed and not big delay for reuse...elf lucks p attack so at pvp the skills sux the dont do a shit....th th th :)


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:55 am 
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Patk isn't much of a factor in dagger skills, meng.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:54 pm 
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sorry for posting this here but its a nice video just to see why the hell ADV vs GH (WR) is a lost pvp.

As some of guys said before...
carebear about HP...
carebear about crit power+crit chance...
carebear about dash...
carebear about switch+trick..

If u cant land a faking blow your oppomement will kill u.


http://www.youtube.com/v/-7ZpN-PCssA&NR=1

ps: Adv cant even land a freaking bs

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:01 pm 
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Not the best movie, I wouldn't show my back like that, but that movie is pretty much true. Two experienced players, adv vs gh, the adv has absolutely no chance.

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