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Sekkurel
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Himena wrote:
Well, sorry for late reply but here is my theory ^^

Dyes i did in my 61lvl Bish

+4DEX -5 STR

+4CON +5 STR

reason - i dont need STR and that dyes are cheaper so i can save AA for the other dyes. +DEX and +CON gives stun resist and speed (run) that help because beishops are anoying slow in running ^^ and basicly easy to stun ... stunned bush cant heal :)

+4WIT -4MEN

reason - i have homu with conversiion and with BTS buff i have like 4k MP in the begining of party. When my MP are down to the half i wear my SOM+acumen ( that is the time when almost all party have less MP) and i have my cast speed for extremly fast cast.

I wear DC because with DC + SA Acumen + +4WIT i have 90% ress or more. With MJ - 86.6%. BTW the stun resist of MJ set is pritty good too, but it is more expensive than DC set.

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replace dc with tallum riobe more men = more mdef more mana more mana reg and also you will have same ress power anc cast


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DC/Tallum/Maje. All 3 of them are good.
If you're in a clan with many wars , maje will be better because of more p def and stun resist.


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Well i have my DC left from my Spell Howler. So i will safe some money to buy MJ robe set in the future...

But:

DC set > Tallum - why tha hell i need poison resist since i have purify & vitality (+ bonus heal)?

I play in a clan with many wars. I also think that only difference that make Bishop best healers than SE and EE is the casting speed.

As u know DC gives 15% cast speed + +2 WIT, that mean aditional c.speed that is why ress % is higher with DC than MJ ot Tallum.

So the p.def from DC is better than M.Def because basicly wizard classes have more M.def

So for mass pvp i choose MJ and for party pve - DC


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Himena
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Sekkurel wrote:
replace dc with tallum riobe more men = more mdef more mana more mana reg and also you will have same ress power anc cast


I have more MP by weap - conversion (in my case its homu) ... i think 4k MP for bishop 60lvl is prity good


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You shouldn't have any problems with mana after 56 when you take invocation. Invo + maybe some elixirs and acumen weapon. Dyes +5wit/+4con and you're done.


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Himena wrote:

I also think that only difference that make Bishop best healers than SE and EE is the casting speed.


You'll never beat an EE in casting speed :P Bishop has battle heals that are faster to cast but as regards casting speed EE>bishop.

Well about gear its up to personal taste...and situation of course. Normally I use tallum + conversion weapon for pve and mj +acumen weapon for pvp or soloing. Dyes again depend on personal preferences...I use +dex cuz I hate to be slow and +con and +4wit but you can go for +5wit too.


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Agree. A bishop cannot beat the EE in cast. Prophecy of Water 4 ever :) . The EE's Major heal(or Greater) has almost the same cast as bishop's greater battle heal :D

dyes: +4 wit -4 men, +4 int -4 men, +4 con -4 str

I say +4 int because of the curses the bishop has and Inquisitor :twisted:

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aditzu wrote:
Agree. A bishop cannot beat the EE in cast. Prophecy of Water 4 ever :) . The EE's Major heal(or Greater) has almost the same cast as bishop's greater battle heal :D

dyes: +4 wit -4 men, +4 int -4 men, +4 con -4 str

I say +4 int because of the curses the bishop has and Inquisitor :twisted:
support classes can't +/- INT.

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aditzu wrote:
Agree. A bishop cannot beat the EE in cast. Prophecy of Water 4 ever :) . The EE's Major heal(or Greater) has almost the same cast as bishop's greater battle heal :D

dyes: +4 wit -4 men, +4 int -4 men, +4 con -4 str

I say +4 int because of the curses the bishop has and Inquisitor :twisted:


aditzu wrote:
Agree. A bishop cannot beat the EE in cast. Prophecy of Water 4 ever :) . The EE's Major heal(or Greater) has almost the same cast as bishop's greater battle heal :D

dyes: +4 wit -4 men, +4 int -4 men, +4 con -4 str

I say +4 int because of the curses the bishop has and Inquisitor :twisted:


Yes EE have a little more cast speed when unbuffed with same as bishop equipment. The ammount is around 200 cast speed, EE also have 60-70 MP and HP more than bishop, but bishops heal a little more HP and have around 500 CP more, that mean they will stay alive a little longer if are targeted in PvP. Also bishops have more M.Atk so they can solo easy and sleep with higher chance of success.


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Wait, you did some small mistakes. Unbuffed, the cast speed diff is around 50-60. With acu + zerk around 90.
But you're right, the bish has lower hp (around 80, but he has 600 cp more).
But the matk isn't exactly relevant for mystics. Both bish and ee will solo in pagans at higher levels, and matk has no correlation to lethal rate as far as we know. About the sleep... The matk difference isn't that high.

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Any way , I dont remember who asked : YOU REALY WANA GO OLY WITH FIGHTER WEPS ? ::

But how you think to win other man ? with WInd Strike and Ice bolt ? lolz!
for farming EE and Cardi can solo pagan and IT .
about sleep chanse : you wouldnt use sleep ofc . big cast time . you would use Trance . and about Mana regen ? you heared about invocation skill ? very good thing you know . M atack is not so important coz you kill undeads yust like that coz they are weak from sacred atacks that mean-s that you will hit same dmg as other mage with surender , or gloom .

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witz go play some ee/bish..rly now
u wont kill undeads just like that
by sleep they mean trance
ofc ee/bish lvl at pagans/it
mp reg thing->its not only mp reg its also clarity
the reuse delay of the invo is high so mp reg MAY be a factor and it IS a factor

btw with my kardi 79 in mj robe and homy conv+bts i had more than 5k mp for sure:D


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and why you think they kill undead-s hard ? I saw man root in pagain with root lvl 9 omg , and with clarity you dont have to vory so much about mana regen . you will run out of mana after 1/2 h or maybe 1h than , use invocation , and continue . that dyes regen dont mean much . I plaer with cardi on x3 server and I never needed to sit more than 5 min and my mana get full . coz of regen buff and all other thing-s . And dont tell me to go play some cardi . you should do it .

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Vitezkoja wrote:
and why you think they kill undead-s hard ? I was man root in pagain with root lvl 9 omg , and with clarity you dont have to vory so much about mana regen . you will run out of mana after 1/2 h or maybe 1h than , use invocation , and continue . that dyes regen dont mean much . I plaer with cardi on x3 server and I never needed to sit more than 5 min and my mana get full . coz of regen buff and all other thing-s . And dont tell me to go play some cardi . you should do it .


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what means i was man root in pagan with root lvl 9 ?!
u said that-with clarity u dont have to worry about mana reg
but if u dont have clarity u have to worry

u dont run out of mana in 30-60 minutes.. u run out of mana in 20 minutes max if u try to root or sleep...
invocation regeneratos ~1k-1.5k mp of max 3-4k
what regen buff?

and last...dude i played bish when u havent even heard about l2


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