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With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit

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Focus daggers are made for farming and lvling i think.


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With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

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cd inflicts extra damage to target when critical attack is launched, focus increases critical attack rate...

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cd inflicts extra damage to target when critical attack is launched, focus increases critical attack rate...


Oh man... Just read the fuckin description writen... Here http://lineage.pmfun.com/item/5618/soul ... amage.html

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[Soul Crystal Enhancement] on a critical attack, increases P. Atk. by 200. Enhances damage to a target during PvP.


And how many times I have to repeat that P. atk DOES fuckin NOT INFLUENCE BLOW DAMAGE?!?! It's same as enchanting shield and hoping that this time it increases p. defence on actual stats...

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Alycat wrote:
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Alycat wrote:
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With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

You got alot more experience to learn from l2 kid. You are clueless. When u dont know about something better dont talk.
On topic: Then why are there so many dagger. As you say the NG dagger does the same crit dmg as S one. What's the point crafting S...

Edit : P.atk influences crit blow dmg..

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Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
sampungpiso wrote:
Alycat wrote:
With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

You got alot more experience to learn from l2 kid. You are clueless. When u dont know about something better dont talk.
On topic: Then why are there so many dagger. As you say the NG dagger does the same crit dmg as S one. What's the point crafting S...

Edit : P.atk influences crit blow dmg..
after C4 it does. =]

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Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
sampungpiso wrote:
Alycat wrote:
With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

You got alot more experience to learn from l2 kid. You are clueless. When u dont know about something better dont talk.
On topic: Then why are there so many dagger. As you say the NG dagger does the same crit dmg as S one. What's the point crafting S...

Edit : P.atk influences crit blow dmg..


Look, talking about blow dmg... Simple crit (as I told) is influenced by p. atk, but (according to my source and expierence) blow isn't... And yeah, becouse of SA on A/S weps 5% dmg to skills/hits during pvp. I tought same that CD is better for blows, but when I tried off SS+cd and SS+guidance it did almost same dmg (blow) Unless CD adds only ~50 more dmg to blows...(I'd rather call that 'incrases max dmg possible')It's still pointless lol...
P.S tested on L2off server, unless it's bugged...Or maybe my hope for larger number's was too naive...

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Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
sampungpiso wrote:
Alycat wrote:
With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

You got alot more experience to learn from l2 kid. You are clueless. When u dont know about something better dont talk.
On topic: Then why are there so many dagger. As you say the NG dagger does the same crit dmg as S one. What's the point crafting S...

Edit : P.atk influences crit blow dmg..


Look, talking about blow dmg... Simple crit (as I told) is influenced by p. atk, but (according to my source and expierence) blow isn't... And yeah, becouse of SA on A/S weps 5% dmg to skills/hits during pvp. I tought same that CD is better for blows, but when I tried off SS+cd and SS+guidance it did almost same dmg (blow) Unless CD adds only ~50 more dmg to blows...(I'd rather call that 'incrases max dmg possible')It's still pointless lol...
P.S tested on L2off server, unless it's bugged...Or maybe my hope for larger number's was too naive...
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SoulBlade wrote:
Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
sampungpiso wrote:
Alycat wrote:
With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

You got alot more experience to learn from l2 kid. You are clueless. When u dont know about something better dont talk.
On topic: Then why are there so many dagger. As you say the NG dagger does the same crit dmg as S one. What's the point crafting S...

Edit : P.atk influences crit blow dmg..


Look, talking about blow dmg... Simple crit (as I told) is influenced by p. atk, but (according to my source and expierence) blow isn't... And yeah, becouse of SA on A/S weps 5% dmg to skills/hits during pvp. I tought same that CD is better for blows, but when I tried off SS+cd and SS+guidance it did almost same dmg (blow) Unless CD adds only ~50 more dmg to blows...(I'd rather call that 'incrases max dmg possible')It's still pointless lol...
P.S tested on L2off server, unless it's bugged...Or maybe my hope for larger number's was too naive...
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SoulBender wrote:
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Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Alycat wrote:
sampungpiso wrote:
Alycat wrote:
With no doubt- CD for good, Focus for heaven :wink:


i think many dagger type prefer CD SA.. 8) hhmmm..and second is focus? XD


Whell becouse P. atk. do not influence blow skill's dmg I go for focus on dagger (if it's available) and if not- CD.
I mean what is the point of critical dmg when you crit rate is ~200? I'd rather hit criticals more often with sligtly less dmg than a lot less crits with almost same dmg :)

CD affect the damage dealt by skills. Since all of you blows are critical hits...guess what! You do more dmg with skills and when u hit normal crit hit


Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

You got alot more experience to learn from l2 kid. You are clueless. When u dont know about something better dont talk.
On topic: Then why are there so many dagger. As you say the NG dagger does the same crit dmg as S one. What's the point crafting S...

Edit : P.atk influences crit blow dmg..


Look, talking about blow dmg... Simple crit (as I told) is influenced by p. atk, but (according to my source and expierence) blow isn't... And yeah, becouse of SA on A/S weps 5% dmg to skills/hits during pvp. I tought same that CD is better for blows, but when I tried off SS+cd and SS+guidance it did almost same dmg (blow) Unless CD adds only ~50 more dmg to blows...(I'd rather call that 'incrases max dmg possible')It's still pointless lol...
P.S tested on L2off server, unless it's bugged...Or maybe my hope for larger number's was too naive...
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Guess what! CD sa adds p. atk. not ammount of crit dmg:) Becouse usual crit hit's ARE influenced by p. atk. it seems ok, BUT becouse p. atk DOES NOT influence BLOW dmg it's worthless...
And nothing will prove me wrong.Wanna find out that by u'rself? Buy NG dagger stab anyone and then stab same target/mob with u'r CD sa'ed dagger...U will be surprised.

Guess what! YOU'RE WRONG! Do some research. Critical power IS patk. Death whisper means +35% crt damage right? +35% multiplied by WHAT? By current critical damage. What is current critical damage? Still patk.

Or do some ingame tests if you're not sure for fuck's sake. WHY do you think that daggers use vicious stance in a pvp? Because vs gives skill damage. HOW does it give skill damage (critical damage)? By adding patk. HEEEEY doesn't the cd SA do the same thing? Yes it does.



When you see increases patk on a critical hit that means that it changes the patk at the base of the crit. It does NOT mean that it adds normal patk during a crit. For example normal hit with 500 patk... With +200 patk on critical, the patk isn't 500 x 2 + 200. It's different, but there's no accurate formula for it. The critical itself has a patk of its own ONLY IF you have something to increase it. That patk is not dependant on the weapon. This is what the researchers seem to agree on. The perfect crit (nothing to increase it) has 0 patk.

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Icarus is right . its not same hit stab with 100 P .atack and 1100 p.atack .
btw when are we all talking about dager-s when you reach S grade what is bether ? AS/CD or AS/HASTE I prefer haste coz od atk speed and re-uses coz CD gives maybe 50-200 dmg per blow (depends of the direction of atack) and haste gives 1 blow more every 5-6- blows and other skill-s re use :P

plx tell what-s bether and if I had wrong somewhere tell it .

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I'd use haste too. Critical damage isn't bad either, but I'd go for haste. I realised a back while how important is atk speed for trick.
Plus that 265 patk during crit ain't that much. Icarus disperser for example is a dream-dagger, it gives 560 patk. That's almost as much as vicious stance!

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