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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:07 am 
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god is the thing we all want to be..good,powerfull,immortal blahblahbahba
he is the perfect character..its created to show to the noobzorg humans how they should be..god is superpower that makes the evil ppl fear of his vengance..

A bit twisted but,isn't that good?
Anyways,no1 forces you to believe,every1 has their choice.
You talk these things but in the same time you got that nickname :p

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OMG STOP THESE GOD TOPICS! FIRST IN SEVERAL TOPICS OF ALLY FORUM, NOW ON SEVERAL TOPICS OF PMFUN! STOP THIS MADNESS

THIS IS A QUESTION THAT CANNOT BE PROOVEN, PERIOD!

STOP MAKING SUCH DISCUSSIONS COS ITS PISSING ME (AND MANY OTHER) OFF!!!!!!!

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I exist








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God? God does nothing. For me, God=unknown power.
The humans have an EXTREMELY limited mind, don't even try to imagine anything like god, because we can't, we're too stupid for such things, face it. Leave it as it is. Bible's needed only for lonely ppl or for those who want to believe in something. I had written alrdy 2 examples that the bible is incorrect and illogical with itself.


thats where u are wrong. God cannot be explained by logic ( according to Orthodoxy), it can be explained with all these miracles, these indirect influences of God in our lives and his appearnces.


ok then it should be like this:
1.God cannot be explained by logic
2.miracles cannot be explained by science (aka logic) (im sure there is this sentence in the thread somewhere)
3.what you say is: god is explained by miracles.

THEN: God is explained by something that cannot be explained (aka miracles)


no offence
1.ur logic is absolutely non-provable
2.ur logic is retarded
3.believe in wahtever u want



man ...i didn't said those conclusions (1.2.3)! if you read the freakin' quote u'll know that the guy above said that.its not my logic.
its the conclusion that comes out.BUT u are to lazy to read.
So as many say:READ THE MOTHER FUCKING THREAD BEFORE YOU MOTHER FUCKING POST!I never said that i believe or not.


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I saw a post where some dude called crocs perfect.
Can a crocodile feel emotions? LOVE? The only creature granted with this gift is the human. A croc wont give his LIFE for his relative.


Omg, that's the worst opinion.
Look, where did we, the most useless creatures on earth came out?
From the same ocean...there were no life on the ground just in the water a very fewhunderd millions bc. Then they came out to the ground and somehow the monkeys too. The monkeys that can only defend theirselves by weapons, that believes in such God like we do, that are agressive like we are etc etc.

Look at dogs, they came out of wild dogs - all the canid types like foxes/wolves and dogs too came out from the same creature, and look! They are not the same, there's about thousand types of a dog.

If they can't feel, how a male wolf care about their kids? How they play?
How they communicate to work together? Why they don't always want to dominate and feel being defeated? Or even more how they can feel depression or happiness?
We all feel the same, just they are better with non-verbal communication. We mostly just talk and write, that's what we communicate with, they use their tails/sounds of howls/barks etc etc...
Human is above nothing, NOTHING
Humans are just simply those who found out that with weapon and with the disgust cheating, hatred, power, ego they want to own everything.

But if I compare a simple human against a german shepherd for example, who'll win? The dog will, because they are stronger and better than us, also faster, haven't lose their fur, their natural resistance and ability in combat to defend themselves, we just have only 1 strenght. Weapons.
Humans=Weapons

While all humans became retarded, we lost our fur let alone we don't even have anything, just something around our head mostly. Our feet got degenerated, we complitely lost our original speed, we don't have claws, just fingernails.

We lost everything that can defend us, we depend on technology and weapons. But if there will be no technology around us, we will die, like all domesticated[spoiled] creatures on earth.

No-one can say any things like that an animal can't feel, because even fricking humans discovered it, that they rly do and lot of them say that they are better then us, what is true.

Imo, animals know how to live, just we stole everything from them away, even more torture them.

And to say, mistique most ppl like you think the same way and from these come out the animal researchers, that uses toxins/poisons/electric devices on animals, because they think it doesn't matter.

If they really can't feel, then we can't too. That's 100%, you can find about millions of proofs. If they only react, then we have only reactions too.
We were once the same, remember that.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:40 am 
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i don't believe naything which existence you cannot prove, for example - god, devil, good and evil fight, soul which have only ppl and dont have animals, in aliens, in marsianians, in jupiterians, in venerians and that's on. on my opinion, those churches live from believers, because of that they and trying to making hard every step for researchers. AND, i saw the film where some ppl been threw the teritories which been written in bible, and tryed to understand more, but tey understanded that in bible was everything written wrong, and that book were used as political instrument to hold the judea, BECAUSE in those time who had the rule under the believings, have rule under whole country, and i hate religiuos people, because we are wealth, we are health and have this technologies because of those experiments which didn't listened the church, and did their own. the church is part of culture, ti cannot rule our mind, our thinking and our living. we have our own government which WE ELECTED, not god. if someone died it died because it brains turned OFF, not because it's god's will

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Lhyno you amaze me lal...
I suppose you support Darwin's theory,cuz i see you talked about how we had fur etc etc.
Then why are there still apes?
And wolves caring about their kids...now that's a natural instinct that every animal has.
God created harmony in this world and settle us here too.Because of our far more complicated emotions than animals we started unbalancing the harmony.

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We lost everything that can defend us, we depend on technology and weapons. But if there will be no technology around us, we will die, like all domesticated[spoiled] creatures on earth.

That's a way of living. It's the same like a turtle and it's shell ;)

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While all humans became retarded, we lost our fur let alone we don't even have anything, just something around our head mostly. Our feet got degenerated, we complitely lost our original speed, we don't have claws, just fingernails.

Physically,animals are better than us. But i think you know what separate us from them and why we dominate the world.

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Imo, animals know how to live, just we stole everything from them away, even more torture them.

Now,that's true and it's a sad thing . :( But there are still organisations that help animals.

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And to say, mistique most ppl like you think the same way and from these come out the animal researchers, that uses toxins/poisons/electric devices on animals, because they think it doesn't matter.

That's just a personal offence against me! Did I ever say thing like that?
I myself am an animal lover. Im against this shit. I always had an animal besides me - whether it is a dog or cat, or both at same time :)

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If they really can't feel, then we can't too. That's 100%, you can find about millions of proofs. If they only react, then we have only reactions too.
We were once the same, remember that.


You gotta gimme solid proofs about that.

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CLOSE THE FUKING TOPIC!!!!!!!!

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If they really can't feel, then we can't too. That's 100%, you can find about millions of proofs. If they only react, then we have only reactions too.
We were once the same, remember that.



You gotta gimme solid proofs about that.


show me the proof that man can feel without his talking (because animals cant talk)

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guys guys guys......if u want to see,feel,smell something u have to believe in it....i think that god exist's cuz i believe in him.....gs is atheist....he doesnt believe in god,satan and other things....(maybe like angels XDDD(sounds stupid))

so if u want something u have to trust in it...


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JESUS CHRIST I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!

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God exists. How can u explain miracles?
And fyi, even faithless people confirmed miracles.
How can you explain exorcisms?

How can you explain that saint's bodies haven't rotten after so many years?
No1 can explain what happens. But all those people where saints of the
Orthodox church. Underline Orthodox.
Especially the fellow Greeks here that know about history, know what i mean.

Science can't explain everything. Christianity can. Underline Christianity.
Some people use religion to gain money and comforts. That doesn't change a thing. God's there. That doesn't mean he has to interfere and 'help us'.
Cuz we don't deserve it tbh. It happens that i come from religious family and I know things most people don't.

And last thing, some saints still live in Greece and other places like Hungary and Romania.

There are shitloads of rotting body prevention. Like somebody said earlier, it depends on the body fat of the person, on the air composition AND IT ESPECIALLY depends on the pressure of the air (maybe the person is in a confined coffin).

ORTHODOXY CAN EXPLAIN EVERYTHING? ASK A FUCKING PREACHER ABOUT THE SITUATION OF OUR HOME WORLD IN OUR GALAXY. ASK HIM! He will tell you that GOD made all this. GUESS WHAT! Did you know that the biggest planet in our solar system may be breaking apart? Did you know that in 10 years we may be history because it is suspected that JUPITER will encounter the EXACT SAME PROCESS which created OUR OWN galaxy? No. A preacher won't know that. He will just say that it's god's hand and it's beyond his capacity of understanding. WE DO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING!

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Ofcourse church is a profit organisation, everything is. But you have to know, that this isnt really profitable (u dont really see priest driving BMWs), they have to live from something and if they are able to restrict themself from love or having a family, they will is strong (ofcoures this goes only for the katolic priests, not all).

I myself do not believe that God controls my fate and will help me when i need help and i dont believe in th bible. But the fact is i was raised in the katolic way and i still celebrate the cristian holidays and i still try to follow the 10 laws. The 10 laws are not bullshit and if all would follow them, the world would be a better place.

Maybe i went a bit offtopic, but this had to be said.

You'd be surprised, but i did see priests driving BMWs.

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for non-god believers the first 3 laws (if im not mistaken) are just useless but the rest will sure make our world a better place.

btw do u see ppl getting cured by rare and dangerous illnesses or viruses like cancer? Yes, you see on the news. Do you see every1 getting cured? NO! The doctors cure them? NO! Doctors can do nothing with these illnesses and viruses atm. It's God that cures faithful ppl!

well, I have not experienced sthing like that, so I can't confirm it, but we do see on the news.

God cures faithful people? What about my fucking uncle who was devoted to god, was going to the church once a day for the morning preach. HE DIED OF CANCER! OF A FUCKING STUPID little spot of cancer, doctors said it was NO PROBLEM! Guess what! HE DIED.

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No. People can't be mummified the way saints did. You're wrong.
Also...LUCK? When doctor tells you, it's not possible to walk ever again, we did all humanly possible. And then you walk again. Is that fucking luck?
And people don't need to believe in anything. They should believe tho.

Yes. It's luck. It's LUCK, because the chances of walking again may be 1%. YOU walk, and other 99 people DON'T. IS THAT LUCK? Yes it's luck. Did i believe in god when i broke my neck? No. I wasn't waiting for obsolete knowledge. And i survived. I believed in my own strength, i believed in the fact that i can't go into non-being so early, that i MUST survive. That's why you still see me right here.

Why am i an adept of modern satanism in the first place? Because scientific studies show that telepatics is actually possible. When our minds are concentrated and reach that full capacity of 10%, many things are possible. This is why the Universe reflects what you think of. If you are sure that you're gonna die... You are dead my boy. If you want to live... You will live. It's simple as that. It is also correlated to fear under pressure. People that know they will survive are more fearless. Believers just sit back, DO NOTHING and wait for god to save them...








As a side mark, i know a joke on that matter. A man fell into a lake and was drowning. He was a believer. He was waiting for god to rescue him. A boat came by, the captain asked 'come here man, let me save you', the man said 'i am waiting for god to save me'. The second boat came, the same story, 'i am waiting for god to save me'. The man drowned, he went to saint Paul. God was waiting too. The man asked 'my god, why didn't you save me?'. God said 'Blind faith is stupidity. I sent 2 boats after you'.

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Icarus i'm tottaly agree with you

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As a side mark, i know a joke on that matter. A man fell into a lake and was drowning. He was a believer. He was waiting for god to rescue him. A boat came by, the captain asked 'come here man, let me save you', the man said 'i am waiting for god to save me'. The second boat came, the same story, 'i am waiting for god to save me'. The man drowned, he went to saint Paul. God was waiting too. The man asked 'my god, why didn't you save me?'. God said 'Blind faith is stupidity. I sent 2 boats after you'.

here the god is the face of the THINKING HUMAN..the logical mind
not the divine power..2 boats came..and what?any smart dood would jump on the board.. but no!our blind d00d was waiting for god..
god is U..peple are able to destroy and to build WORLDS!
Hitler?im not sure about the total number of the dead but i know that only russians have lost 20 MILLION PPL!!!! WTF!!!
and what?another example
alexander BELL...wtf created the fking phone..now we can comunicate even if i am in america and u icarus are in indonezia!
this is NOT a miracle
this is the genius of the men..we are the gods..we create,we destroy


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it's up to us, not to some "god" it's cuz everybody trying to find anyone else guilty than your own, maybe it's time to figure out, that god doesn't exist, and if you will wait, you with your faith can to wait till the death, you won't get immortalitty, you wont get afterlife, all this has birth of fear, as narcoman will say you that he saw how toilets was running after him, it was only seeing, which never happened, IT IS IN YOUR MIND, it making us to dream and it's called NARCOTIC





P.S. God's will is not explanation about miracles

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Of course God exists, don't you see GoDs3nD

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