SH : Slow lvl 6
SpS : Frost Bolt - Slow lvl 2
Necro : Mass Slow, but only 40%base land rate , not 80%;

Necro have stun on his cursed man but i don't see this like an effective option to run.
I can't see why SH can't outrun an enemy. He have highest m.atk for landing his slow also.
And i can't stop laughing.. You guys actually think on how much dex have everyone (24 elf;23 d.elf;21 human mystic).
Yes, SpS have Ice Vortex wich decrease 30% speed , while Wind Vortex only 10% or Dark Vortex , nothing. But still you land easyer Wind Vortex than Ice Vortex (SH's m.atk vs SpS's m.atk)

im not in daggers but imo matk is not the main atribute u need vs a dagger..ur slow will be useless if u cast it slow.. sps is the champion of the cast spd..so he will cast faster his frostbolt and will win some more seconds
and rly the summon stuns quite often so it rly helps to run away.. its better to leave the summon behind and run

th ww 2 dc set 74 no dyes slow ON wind v ON
Speed 106

same dude with ice v and frost bolt
Speed 105

wo0ho0:D

same dude but with blizzard instead of frost bolt
Speed 92

Mass slow plox:(
Speed 113
sh no dyes dc set ww 2 Speed 165
necro Speed 161
sps Speed 166
plix plo0x nu kill me ai kast may slof veri slof...

sh has slow on 3 effect not 6 also sh slow has 600 range
frost bolt effect 2 but range 900 + some dmg from nuke

that is right to higher range ftw

until the sph casts slow , he will be dead by all daggers , even other melee types
btw sps's speed is 179 with DC robe set and +4 dex dye , ice vortex is -40% speed not 15% like other vortexes correct me if im wrong
consider sps nightmare of melee , even gladi and tyrant

Ice Vortex = -30% speed ; Wind/Fire Vortex = -10% speed;

vort >crusher and how many hp has got a dagger mayby on one huri

You're gonna cast the vortex and then crush it? Gg, you'll win plenty of pvps like that. Oo

Since it's a very powerful debuff, why the hell should you crush it!? Just think man, THINK. It slows, and it also gives you bonus damage on an element. Why should you crush it, when it lasts some time. Why not nuke him a bit, and then crush it, to be sure he'll be dead?

why are you so stupid you think that was my tactic Oo i just retorical asked how many hp left after only those 2 shots

You think surrender + ice v + crusher + hydro will kill a dagger?
There are two skills, you know, elemental protection and rune protection. That means that if you vortex me, my mdef and elemental resistance go up for a split second, and in that second you crush the vortex -> you will do mediocre damage.

man you really have a problem with read
first topic is about sh so i meant wind vort and slug
second i ve never used vort and after that slug i know its stupidy
i just asked a retorical question how many hp will have a dag after those 2 skills its obvious that wind vortex debuff lasts 10 sec so the best way to use a slug is on the end of debuff

And i answered. You have a problem? You really need to use insults?

@icarus after you use wind ice fire , then slug crusher the debuff of the vortex wont dissapear , it will change into vortex slu/crusher debuff which lasts only 7seconds or something like that and you still do the same damage as with normal vortex debuff

@kormag , usually when i pvp daggers with my sps i don't rush to get vortex
,i just want to land ice vortex to make sure that he is slowed and i get range , then i try vortex again crusher and he is dead.

for a sph vs dagger i agree that the tactic should be surrender>vortex>slug>hurri and it should be end game tactic in oly , sph is hardest mage to beat in oly just because he kills you too fast , even gladis will be beaten because they have slow attk speed and speed , only for titan i'd suggest to slow him and get distance

yeap sry for insult my bad
but you didnt answer a question ( btw retorical q is without answer ) you tried to stultify me by make ppl belive that vort> slug is my tactic
ok once again sry for insult but dont treat me like a newbie

dude u got nothing of icarus' post.. he sais"WHY THE HELL SHOULD I RUIN THE FKING DEBUFFING EFFECT OF VORT WITH HE FKING BUSTER!"
i absolutely agree this because its better to leave the debuffing effect slow down ur enemie and give u + dmg to ur hurri.. nuke ur enemy 2 times and later slug the fking vortex!