Dear All!

Pls help me to choose a right sub class for my GH.
The only 3 warrior class i like destro, tyrant, gladiator.
Can't decide which one to choose.
Glad much hp great dmg but slow low crit.
If i know it correctly i dont need crit rate because the skills dont need it and the glad main strength is the TSS He can use sonic move and duelist spirit to compensate the slow moving and attack speed.
Hard to catch archers and daggers
Tyrant is faster with totems. high evasion lower skill power then glad
but can stun the enemy with skills and s fist with crit stun sa.
can cripple the enemy to catch them daggers archers
weaker then glad but with zealot it boost up very much
destro amazing dmg and much more in danger frenzy zealot crush of doom
so on but very very slow in every situation
an archer will kite you and hit shoot you aparts mages also flee away
so what do you recommend?
i dont know them absolutely
just seen the description of their skills
pls give me reasons why would you choose one of them
not for that because u use that class and thats the god
pro and kontra pls
what is the strength of them and weaknesses of them compared to each other?
i need real experineces from battlefields i dont care about the pure statistics
its true and i know whether i cant find the 100% best amongst them
each of them will be stronger in some cases like the others
but i wanna find the most balanced class concerning for deadly mode
i know there is a dye section in forum
i dont wanna know about the dyes exactly here but maybe if you have info about how to compensate the weakneeses of them with dyes those infos are also welcomed here
so i need a deadly character with tons of hp to stand up for a long time against many ppl in pvp need huge huge dmg as fast as i can
and need the ability not to be stunned and debuffed all the time
and wanna catch the fleeing enemy (dont wanna be kited all the time)
so what is the the most balanced concerning this
i have ideas with equipments maybe you can write about that
but its not so important
the most important as i wrote the real experiences beyond the statistics

ty

I can tell you to choose between Gladiator and Tyrant. Destro is not as effective as it was in Interlude, while the Gladiator has big boosts in ct1,5.

Tyrant levels up faster than a mage with SE, than a Destro with SE, than an Archer party and is good in pvp against all classes. But his chance is really low to kill Gladiator in 1vs1. Why ? 1st Duelist spirit , 2nd War Cry, 3rd 8 Charges, 4th 10% More pvp dmg. The only way for tyrant is to wear IC and use Ogre. Anyways - choose Tyrant .

I can say this: Breal, i appreciate you've been arbitrary and i agree with you.

But i have to say that destro isn't a bad choice either. He lvls faster than a tyrant with zealot + frenzy, and he is also incredibly efficient in oly vs classes that lack longevity. In oly if you know how to pvp, it's perfect. The enemy needs to apply a good strategy in order to stop you while in frenzy + zealot.

And i might wanna add that the tyrant can deal better with some classes, just because he's a good runner, and his ranged attacks are more powerful than the gladiator's. Thus, dealing with a dagger isn't exactly a problem, because you can cripple him, wolf totem and kite efficiently.

Don't take it wrong, the gladiator is also potent when it comes to ranged attacks, but lacks the skills to handle some classes easily. The biggest concern when facing any of these 3 classes is not to get near them, because the destro's crush of doom and armor crush are efficient, the glad's dss and tss are powerful, and the tyrant's hurricane assault is a great combo with soul breaker and burning fist.


My advice bows to breal. Go for tyrant, because it's fairly fun to play.

ty all

yeah it seems it will fit to my profile GH main and TYRANT in sub HE or PR in second sub
i think PR for its huge crits (i want this sub for mass pvp siege etc etc)
dont know he or pr still hesitating
btw i am playing on official franz

so each class wears light therefore i need to buy armor only once
what sa would you use on demon splinter focus or crit stun?

ty again

ofc Icarus. I have never said that any glad in any time kills everything. I am playing with Tyrant atm on wrath and I can say he really kills archers much easier because of the cripple although the dmg is not as high as the gladiator's.


On Demon Splinters I will chose Crt stun, and always wear Dragon Grinder Health because Crt stun only works when Bison is activated.

well i see ty

yep criple is great and i checked l2calc tyrant is fast lol
200+ run speed it can be 240

so there is some great skills also punch of doom 9132 power lol
like destro
one more advantage can stun from skills using fists only
with glad you need to change weapon to use hammer crush or what
and not so weaker than glad based on skills power only
zealot is great in case of emergency

i start to like this tyrant more and more
as i checked in l2calc he dont needs for dyes
its balanced enough well
if i use str not so much dmg increase only in zealot but i loose many hp and cp
if use dex i wont be much faster and wont have so much bigger crit rate
if i increase con i will loose many dmg and wont get many hp and cp

so dyes dont needed?
btw do i need for crit like a dagger or archer
or not like a glad my skill doesnt depend on it?

really your comments really help me to see clearly concerning this class and play with it with so much joy and fun

ty

for dyes....

as u said if u increase dex u wont get much...so if u decrease it u wont lose much either....

u could -dex and + str and con but for pvp only ofc

btw skills doesnt depend on str on dagger but depends on glad
tyrant is glad or dagger like class?

so str influence the skill success and dmg greatly?

punch of doom
"Strikes an enemy with an iron fist but temporarily stuns you. An equipped hand-to-hand combat weapon is required to use this skill. Ignores Shield Defense. Over-hit is possible. Power 9132."

can i do sth against to be stunned by myself?
this is the 100% possibly side effect of using the skill
or high con stun resist buffs skills etc can protect against it?

dont choose tyrant!!! DE look stupid with fists hehe . glad or destro.

u should not decrease str on tyrant cause it influences the skills critical rate

also tyrants skills are not like the dagger skills .... they never miss...

one note: punch of doom is not that good skill, except in pve where you need it for bison...because it has a chance to stun you and although it has 9k power it can't deal more dmg than Hurricane assault with 7 charges.

I would go for a tyrant too, its really an awesome char.. even I wanna sub it tho fists look crappy on elf female

Majestic set. I personally use it in oly. It can say its word as a last hit. Use majestic set ONLY if you plan to use it more often, though i don't recommend. You should use it when things are fairly matched in a pvp (in oly you know the enemy's hp, so it's a good example), and get last hit with it, so that you can guarantee victory.

and make macro with punch of doom - something like this
/useskill war frenzy
/useskillforce punch of doom
/useskill war frenzy

If you are planning to play with Tyrant - I would suggest you to go for NM light and then IC.

NM light and IC?
you mean IC heavy for a tryant?
why?