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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:41 pm 
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It all depend on 2 things
1st is players skill (noobs or pros)
2nd on the distance between each other,if the dagger attacks full buffed even with dash a full buffed necromancer from 900 then he will be dead for sure cause you have 2 sources of DD 1 summon 2 necromancer bluff doesnt always work at 100% and necros have a shit load of hp with transfer pain on.

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the numbers i used are only hypothetical.not real.
also i'd use corrupted man vs daggers/archers because a decent dd will start the fight with UE so normal hits are worthless(cursed man),better use empowered+blessed beast spiritshots for extra nuke.yes you will kill the summon in a few hits,but in that time the necro won't try to heal it,but will focus on you.debuffs/nukes/dead.
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if you're on a field with some monsters around,it's really hard vs necro because their summons come out really quick(much faster than summoners :/)
and they can just sleep,slow,summon but that's a different case.

And being aware that i wear nightmare light set, the sleep is gone straight to hell. Slow? I use slow too.

@Serenity. Until the summon casts, i'm already there. It casts once, for a little dmg. 2 hits, it's dead, if bluff lands with a very high probability, but it stuns with a very low probability. He will have disabled target, if he's a noob he will stay a few good seconds before he realises what's wrong. That's why i have an edge over most of the daggers. They say: man you cheat, it's not possible, you were hexed (i was vs another aw) and i got lots of hits on you. Or they say: well i was very unlucky cause bluff didn't land on you. Bluff lands, but it depends to the player if it really lands, cause as soon as i got bluff, my target is canceled, i have the target again in sight, i always keep the pointer on my target, excluding when i do a skill that is over f6. I have problem with precision, my hands are shaking very bad since i was a child.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:17 pm 
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I wont put my summon to cast but to hunt you and i will start running once you are in 400 range until the summon hits you at least twice (cursed man) then i will turn around and cast,anyway no point in this discussion pvp has endless ways of fighting . :P

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the pvp with necro didn t like me becouse he can stop pp from the begin if he casting anhor or silence to the other but i beleve a silien templar can win him easy becose he can use the shield blush and fuck him wen th soultaker loose his target :idea:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:39 am 
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SirAdrian wrote:
full buffed necro+corrupted man VS a dagger...
you're joking right?how can you say necro loses?you have 2 nukers vs 1 dagger and the second nuker also deals a shitload of p damage.while you try to kill the summon,you get cursed and nuked to ground.sleep/weakness/chaos/anchor/fear(big chance of landing).
it's like
necro hits for 1000 damage
corrupted man hits for 1000 damage/300 damage
necro hits for another 1000 damage
corrupted hits for 1000 damage/300 damage
necro hits for yet another 1000 damage
etc.
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With full buffs, full S-grade equipment and jewels, due to all the resists, a necro will hit for around 400-500 dmg on a dagger. That is when both parties are fully buffed.

fully buffed, a corrupted man takes 2 seconds to cast his drain, and eight seconds to recharge.

Why are you casting Sleep? Why are you casting Weakness? Why are you casting Chaos?

Sleep is 15 seconds base cast in C5, about 3 seconds to cast with full buffs. Then you need to land it through mental shield.

Weakness on a dagger? daggers don't rely on P atk for their dmg.

Chaos? They don't rely on accuracy, either.


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+1 ..but want to mention that in c5 sleep have 10 sec on base / sleeping cloud 15 sec and Trance 4 sec..


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simply as you have seen Sir Adrian is the kind of guy (unfortunally not 1 of a kind) that thinks like this "zomfg necro and overlord is the pwnz0r!!1111" "necro and overlord owns every other classes" "daggers are the shit!!111" when every1 knows that in every online rpg game daggers have always advantage vs mages and of course lineage 2 is no exception... no doubt archers are better for mass pvp and nukers too, but one on one.... get a necro or spellhowler vs a WR or GH lvl 78 with good dyes and equip and pp buffs and I tell you that at least 8 in 10 combats the dagger will own... and the other 2 defeats are due to anchor or curse of doom...


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Piranha wrote:
simply as you have seen Sir Adrian is the kind of guy (unfortunally not 1 of a kind) that thinks like this "zomfg necro and overlord is the pwnz0r!!1111" "necro and overlord owns every other classes" "daggers are the shit!!111" when every1 knows that in every online rpg game daggers have always advantage vs mages and of course lineage 2 is no exception... no doubt archers are better for mass pvp and nukers too, but one on one.... get a necro or spellhowler vs a WR or GH lvl 78 with good dyes and equip and pp buffs and I tell you that at least 8 in 10 combats the dagger will own... and the other 2 defeats are due to anchor or curse of doom...


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Piranha wrote:
simply as you have seen Sir Adrian is the kind of guy (unfortunally not 1 of a kind) that thinks like this "zomfg necro and overlord is the pwnz0r!!1111" "necro and overlord owns every other classes" "daggers are the shit!!111" when every1 knows that in every online rpg game daggers have always advantage vs mages and of course lineage 2 is no exception... no doubt archers are better for mass pvp and nukers too, but one on one.... get a necro or spellhowler vs a WR or GH lvl 78 with good dyes and equip and pp buffs and I tell you that at least 8 in 10 combats the dagger will own... and the other 2 defeats are due to anchor or curse of doom...

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now that's a clever way to increase your post count.
somebody says something and then there are lots of +1 replies ;)
on topic: as i've stated that was a hypothetical example

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What you think a give a something for a post in plus? If i wanted posts i would have posted nonsence since when i entered this forum.

You can't talk hypothetically here.


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yes you can
i can't tell you the exact damage or the exact effects that will or will not land

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Actually this is crap "put a necro Vs a GH lvl 999 with buffs and dyes and bla bla bla and will own him" as i have said before pvp has endless possibilities,you cant just *put* a specific char in a specific situation and just say "yeah he will get owned" well then i put all the classes one by one VS Valakas and they will get owned...ok i make sub Dragon next time...ffs
In close range "close attack type fighters" got the best CHANCES to win in long range mages and archers got the best CHANCES to win.
Its all about skills, tactics and number of allies or enemies ,these 3 attributes increase or decrease your chances to win or die.

Its this simple and at the same time so complicated :shock:

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Serenity wrote:
Actually this is crap "put a necro Vs a GH lvl 999 with buffs and dyes and bla bla bla and will own him" as i have said before pvp has endless possibilities,you cant just *put* a specific char in a specific situation and just say "yeah he will get owned" well then i put all the classes one by one VS Valakas and they will get owned...ok i make sub Dragon next time...ffs
In close range "close attack type fighters" got the best CHANCES to win in long range mages and archers got the best CHANCES to win.
Its all about skills, tactics and number of allies or enemies ,these 3 attributes increase or decrease your chances to win or die.

Its this simple and at the same time so complicated :shock:

serenity ..u play on l2memories....where necro has 100% land on all skils...am i roght ? :)


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No my friend i play on CosmosDestiny server (cosmosl2.com)....check my signature :P

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