You have wrong information. What you know is maybe romanian propaganda. Because if you say you lose from germans + bulgariens its not so hard if you lose only from bulgariens. Also during war some german generals tried to steal some of bulgarien victories and to show them as their. General Ludendorff tried to steal bulgarian victory on Tutrakan fortress, he says tutrakan fortress fall only because of german troops which is not true simply because germans troops are not there, they arrive when battle is almost over.

Most important battle south from Danube river and after that is battle for Tutrakan. 98%+++ from soldiers in this battle are bulgarians, in morning 1-2 hours before atack of Tutrakan fortress germans call to bulgarian general which lead atack and told him he should lost his mind if he think to atack this fortress. Its strongest fortress in this part of world. His answer is "Do you know same soldiers that take Odrin fortress?" and he close the phone.

There is memorial in Tutrakan which was build after battle and all dead soldiers was burried there. People from this region collect dead bodies 2 weeks to burry them. There isnt many countries which burry together their own and enemy soldiers together.

On this place there are burried around 8-10 000 dead soldiers and only 14 of them are germans. If you go there you can see it. From this you should undersntand germans participated in this atack was so little that you can even ignore them. This is because german armies still are not in Bulgaria. After this battle Silistra fall almost without resistence and because of this romanians move troops from west front to south front agains bulgarians.

I already told you how all germans admire on General Kolev and Feldmarschall Guderian tank tactics which give this great success in Germany in begining of WW2 are based on General Kolev cavalry tactics


Thats so wrong too. Serbians and bulgarians fight as enemies much more times than like allies since serbia exist to now days




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(region)

Check this map and learn where is REGION CALLED MAKEDONIA. Its not only in greece. As I already told you ancient macedonians are nation that dont exist since 2000 years and dont have any relations with today makedonians or today greeks

1) let me xplain it to you one more time. region with the name makedonia there is only at greece. and there is and a country that just created with the name FYROM ( former yugoslavic republic of macedonia) that took this name cause greece dont allow this stupid country to be called just with the name makedonia(cause they havent any connection with the ancient makedonians) . now you understanded or still? probably you dont know anything about this issue and how long time greece and vardaska was fighting about the name issue....
2)why you say 2 times the same? makedonians or greeks is the same.... makedonians live in greece, like cretans , like athenians, like spartans....they are all greek regions and greek people and all of th
em are coming from their ancestors at the past that were hellenic tribes..

they are all regions in greece.... its like you say athenians or greeks... spartans or greeks.... cretans or greeks.... and like you say that cretans,spartans,athenians dont exist anymore.... with the same logic you just appeared on earth too... you havent ancestors and you havent history.... you have no connection with your old ancestors too... happy?

anyway dont answer at my posts again this conversation is not leading anywhere and it seems that you dont unserstand... so bb

Thats not true, see map and you winn understand where is this region. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... edonia.png




thats not true also. I already told you 5 time today greeks are mix from albanians, armenians, bulgarians and few other nations but not ancient greeks or ancient makedonians. So today greeks or today makedonians dont have any realtions with ancient makedonians. And since andcient makedonians dont exinst since 2000 years only makedonians now are today makedonians

Where you guys are from?
Diff countries have different looks on same facts(or even have different facts), so maybe you both are victims of such coincidence?

FIRST OF ALL WHAT THIS MAP IS SHOWING? can you explain to me? cause i can see 3 different countries in this region that is with blue,secondly just to inform you that ancient makedonians had only 8% of the land that today is called FYROM... and the land of FYROM was called PAIONIA in the past at the times of makedonia....it was different from makedonia !!! SO WHAT THIS MAP IS SHOWING?
so you want to say that cause of the fact that the hellenic tribe makedonians had a small part(8%) of the vardaskas land at the ancient years then vardaska that appeared before 50 years has the right to be called makedonians? WOOT !!!! what connection have the vardaskians that are slavs with the ancient makedonians that were hellenes dude? so then turkey has to be called greece cause we had their land in the past too? with the same logic everything that hellenic tribes qonquered in the past they have to rename their name to hellas? LOL NICE LOGIC so if americans for example had some part of your land in the past(8% OF IT) then you have the right to be called american whithout to have any connection with them? while you may be bulgarian? LOL DUDE NICE WAY OF THINKING... SO WITH THE SAME LOGIC MAYBE GREECE CAN ASK TO TAKE ALL THE LANDS THAT HELLENIC TRIBES HAD AT THE ANCIENT YEARS RIGHT? CAUSE THEY ARE HELLENES... ARENT THEY?SO THE LANDS THAT ALEXANDER THE GREAT QONQUERED THEY HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO BE CALLED MAKEDONIANS? WITHOUT TO HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ANCIENT MAKEDONIANS ? SERIOUSLY?





thats what they teach you at your country? you have any proof? i have researches from the greatest universities in the world that show that greece is the country that has been affected the less from other nation's dna and has affect the rest countries the most.... you have any similar or other way to prove this that you are saying? or just talking nonsence cause of your hate towards Greece?[/quote]



PS : BTW YOU SAY ALL THE TIME THE SAME THINGS BUT STILL DIDNT ANSWER TO ME WHAT CONNECTION HAVE THE VARDASKIANS(THAT NOWADAYS THEIR NAME IS FYROM) THAT ARE SLAVS , WITH THE ANCIENT MAKEDONIANS...

OH BTW I FORGOT WHATS YOUR NATIONALITY? I WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY !!!
I AM CURIOUS !!

usually the people that speak with so much hate towards Greece and use such propagandas without to have any clue and to be wrong at everything without to be able to prove anything and just talking nonsence have serious complex with their own country and nationality....

For sure I`m not. Greek and today makedonian history is stolen and this is reason why they have diference than rest part of world history




it show you where is region called makedonia you stupid monkey. Dont you know how to use map?

I told you nobody cares about ancient makedonians, topic is for today makedoninas. Ancient makedonians disapear before 2000 years and no today nation dont have any relations with them



thats your country propaganda existing only in your country? Nation that is called today "greeks" was slaves for 2000 years, romans, bulgarians, italians/frenchs, turks conquer this land and rape your wifes and they born mixed childrens. If you think that you were slaves 2000 years and you are not changed that shows how unejucated you are (like stone).

2000 YEARS SLAVES? REALLY ? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

FROM WHO? WE ARE THE PROUDEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD... ALL THE TIME WE WERE DEFENDING AGAINST THE BIGGEST POWERS IN THE WORLD WITH 10000000 TIMES MORE ARMY ....

ITALIANS ? LOL GO LEARN HISTORY
FRENCH? LOL
GERMANS ? LOL
ROMANS? ARE YOU IDIOT OR WHAT?

YOU ARE TOTALLY UNDEDUCATED.... YOU SUX !!!!!


ONLY TURKS DID IT AND THIS FOR A LITTLE TILL WE RAPE THEM AT THE 1821

you forget your bulgaroslayer?

so suck me QQ

go cry stupid slav. i dont give a sh1t about you and nobody does... REMEMBER WW2?

http://www.youtube.com/v/XBZpBAKl ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/v/MuF6x7ve ... re=related

WHY YOU SPEAK ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES AND DONT COMPARE YOURS WITH GREECE ?
YOU FEEL SO SHY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA RETARD


QQ KIDDO


I FEEL SORRY ABOUT YOU.. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF

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BE JEALOUS OF GREECE MOREEEEEEEE !!!! WE LIKE IT


PS : AND WHATEVER YOU SAY YOU WILL NEVER BECOME MAKEDONIANS,CRETANS,ATHENIANS,SPARTANS, AND ANY OF THE GREEK TRIBES !!!

YOU CAN BE JEALOUS AND TO WANT TO BECOME A GREEK BUY YOU WILL NEVER MANAGE TO DO IT !!!!


BTW THE ONLY UNEDUCATED IS YOU IF YOU NOTICE FROM WHEN WE STARTED OUR CONVERSATION YOU JUST TALK NONSENCE WITHOUT TO HAVE ANY PROOF AND WITHOUT TO BE ABLE TO PROVE ANYTHING OR ANSWER AT MY QUESTIONS . YOU JUST TALK TALK TALK TALK LIKE IDIOT ~~


I FEEL BAD THAT I WASTED MY TIME WITH YOU STUPID ANIMAL.. YOU ARE NOT WORTH EVEN MY ATTENTION...SCUMBAG

I GUESS IT HURTS TO KNOW THAT AN OTHER COUNTRY IS BETTER THAN YOURS RIGHT? HOW IT FEELS ? ITS HURTING YOU RIGHT?

STILL DIDNT SAY TO ME WHERE ARE YOU FROM? YOUR COUNTRY SUX SO MUCH THAT CANT EVEN PRONOUNCE THE NAME OF YOUR COUNTRY? I WONDER HOW IT FEELS TO BE SHY TO SAY THE NAME OF YOUR COUNTRY... YOU SEE I NEVER HAD SUCH PROBLEMS CAUSE I AM GREEK


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Lol i laught at you Johnakos . You Speak like you have proof LOL . I doubt you were alive when this events took place and i have no fucking idea what shits you speak about. What are you trying to proof? That greece is better than other countries? Yeah sure , keep dreaming. Greece is just the same shithole as almost all other countries are. I just don't get it why you mention such shit country in topic about Today Makedonians.

P.S Btw , not long time ago , Greece took money from EU cuz your country was on the edge of Civil War
cuz you guys are too proud and retarded and have no idea what life means.
So atm for me Greeks are prolly the most retarded ppl on the world ( which you guys proved me in Lineage 2 as well )

if you read my previous posts instead of replying to me with one more useless post you will understand why i write at this topic.

but it seems clearly that you didnt. and i am 100% sure that you have no idea and no education about the makedonian issue and makedonian history.. except if you are one more smartass like the previous one that cant give even 1 proof about what he is saying and cant answer even at 1 thing about makedonian history.

and cause i am answering at your posts something that you are not doing it.. i will give you one answer of the money that i can give you.. i answer at this post cause you speak about makedonians. i am makedonian. and i live at pella. where alexander the great borned too. i guess you know pella right ? you have any other question?

or you can prove me the opposite? if you wanna try let me know..


DURE ARE YOU HERE TO SAY ANYTHING USEFULL OR JUST TROLLING TOO?

No .. i don't want to try cuz trying that with greek is retarded. You guys proven me countless times already that you guys have no brain at all and that it is pointless to argue with you ( cuz of your proudness) And believe me i saw everything that was writen on this topic so i'm fully aware of your posts and i say you're fuckin wrong.So far you haven't proof anything.

P.S Trolling the Troll.

you say that i am wrong while you cant eben say to me what means the word "makedonian"? you know why you cant say even this simple thing? CAUSE ITS GREEK !!!!!!!

ok QQ THEN GO TO YOUR BED .

TIME TO SLEEP TOMMOROW YOU HAVE SCHOOL KIDDO !!

Yep if you say i have , then i have..

Oh btw. Do you have any schools in Greece? Cuz you seem to have missed that part of your life when you have to go to school.

What means the greek word makedonian at slavic ? can you answer yes or not?
if not GTFO !! and stop making dizzy my ballz


ps : make more fake accounts to answer(actually not answer just trolling) to me FUNMAX. i feel sorry about you . 3 posts from new acount all to me here at this topic... you are fake like your country... no pride no nothing...

First of all , i'm not FunMax , i'm just a random guy reading your shits.
Second - read here www . maknews . com /html/articles /stefov /stefov100.html (without the spaces)
tell me this , how can the greek nation deny Makedonians as they are now? They have nothing to do with the fucking greeks. Only thing that connects them with greeks is that they live in the region that used to live greeks before , and that messes with their culture , while in the same time greeks say ( oh my gosh makedonia is greek word , yeah why don't we say that makedonians are greeks since they country name comes from greek ) what a logic. If we use that logic , i guess that in all languages the whore is a whore and a * is a * , just using diffrent symbols to write that . Or diffrent words and mymics to say and express it , but in all languages it means the same thing.

READING MY SHITS? THATS WHY YOU CANT ANSWER EVEN AT 1 OF THEM? CAUSE THEY ARE SHITS? HAHAHHA IDIOT you call shits things that exist at meseums and are proven worldwide? then you what you are ? look how i am laughing at you..and all the people who are reading your posts


4) the word makedonia is GREEK and has greek meaning too
5) makedonians like spartans too were coming from the dorian tribe one of the greek tribes.
6) the language that ancient makedonians were speaking was greek dialect . every greek tribe had different greek dialect like athenians , spartans, cretans and etc...
7)they were writting greek
their names were all greek and all of them had greek meaning
9) their religion was greek , they believed in 12 gods of olympus
10) alexander's the great teacher's were greeks example : Aristotle the athenian
11) they had greek calendars
12) they were participating at the olympic games that ONLY GREEKS were allowed
13) they were praying at greek temples
14) they spreaded the greek language and civilization
15) they fought persians IN THE NAME OF GREECE
16) every tomb or monument from ancient makedonians you cant find it at the greek museums nad only there !!
17) every makedonian tomb and monument has greek letters on them
18) only greeks can read and understand makedonian tombs and monuments
19) All the symbols on their monuments and tombs and these that they were using are greek
20) the land that they were living in the past is the same like nowadays... the land that vardaskians live was called paionia and not makedonia only a small part like 10% of the land that they live nowadays was belonging to makedonians after that they conquered it...
21) makedonians were existing at balkans thousands years before slavs to come hunted by huns
22) makedonians called themselves hellenes and descedants of hercules and achilles ( greek history/mythology)
23) makedonians tried to unite all the greek tribes like athenians spartans and etc. under their hegemony .. something that each tribe wanted to do and when the greek tribes were not fighting with enemies they had civil wars with each other always... cause each greek tribe wanted to be the ruler and the others to be under their hegemony...
24) its proven by all the universties that everything about ancient makedonians is greek... so by saying this " because? Bullshit "
you make yourself look stupid dont say it to anyone educated cause gonna laugh with you...




ONLY THE NAME IS GREEK?

READ MY FUCKING POSTS AND STOP WASTING MY TIME.

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