SH is soo cool <3
U can not pesuade me that any nuker is better XD

But i have to tell u if the sorcerer would have at least one more nuke it would be kick ass cool ^^

well......its really difficult choice, that SPH sounds promising, but that SPS.........that 900 range slow sounds sexy too (someone may say: its effect 2, but with ice vortex, its the same slow like slow effect 3 + wind/fire vortex), and that ice dagger can interrupt a spell too :/ grrr, im going to find a high rate and try them both, no other way left........or just grab a dice and roll (1 - 3 sps; 4 - 6 sph)

anyway thx

sps>sph>necro>ss

necro can pvp all if he had mana pots. how? drain+ high in+ way bigger c.speed then all= never ending hp.

btw. sps pwn in primeval ;]

Necro doesn't have more cast speed. His cspeed is a bit over the sh's.
Imo he doesn't need mana pots because death spike is a conservatory skill. And if he drains the whole pvp, he will have enough mana.

necro can pvp all with mana pots ?ROFL

never ending HP ........ maybe when killing mons not in pvp and especially not against mages or classes with passive magic resistance

and who said sorc sucks ? ... he has high dps and his attacks have fire attribute

surrender to fire , fire vortex , proeminence are enough spells to pwn ... and he has slow , can kill destroyers and slow type fighters

For the first time, i agree.

He gets assed up vs other nukers and probably archers.

anyway sps is teh shit vs fighters ever

i use these dyes : +4int +4wit +4dex

in this way i can kite every TH frost bolt , ice vortex and he's pwnd even with his dash , when i see him with dash on i try to do one of the slows , and run until his dash is off , then reslow and kite gladiators are pwned , bad jwls eqquiped daggers are pwnd , destro's pwnd , warlord's pwnd ,, harder with tanks tho , they have hamstring and shackle or arrest

archers with good jwls pwn sps , but if they have very slow attk spd bow only luck saves them ^^

other nukers
- vs spellhowlers : is he silences you it's over, otherwise the sps has good chances to win if ice vortex lands because his low casting spd hw will be even slower which will give you enough time to get closer and try cancel ... and if it lands he will become even slower and you can

-vs necro's : pretty much fucked up if the sps has bad jwls , the necro has gloom which makes all of his spells more effective :silence , cod , anchor and 2 DRAINS which can keep him alive for long time and crush the sps with CDL , if he doesn't forget to use that spell

-vs sorc : really dunno here i think it's all about gear and who knows to play his class better , but i give to sps better chances of winning

remember kids always use arcane chaos in pvp and don't use ice vortex buster unless you are sure that he will die because the buster debuff will stay only 6-7 seconds on the enemy while the vortex stays longer

and trust me light vortex + solar flare (+ 9 power if you manage to enchant it ) it's a very good spell combination in pvp , try it

oh and if you ever buff yourself with PP buffs don't take fire and water resistances only wind because ... let's say a sorc comes to pvp , if his surrender to fire lands , the fire resistance buff will dissapear and he will do lolwtfpwnd damage because since ct1 water resistance buff decreases fire resistance also , same with fire resistance buff .... dunno about wind tho what it decreases i think earth

necro + transfer pain + vampiric claw is hard to kill believe me + curses silence gloom anchor etc

well.........i said, no necro recomendation please, i know him, and i dislike him, even if he can be strong. Btw, this forum is just awesome, 2 days and lots of advices, really thanks and keep posting good ideas ^^

Kill the summon first. Come on, vampiric claw has a weak damage-to-hp capability. Transfer pain? Kill the summon first, it will die immediately.

@Waza remember that in ct1, vs sh there are 2 things: 1 is don't get silenced and 2 get lucky enough to cancel some of his hits. Due to empowering echo, the dps of the sh is now similar to that of the sps.

well, i think i posted this, but im going to play on interlude server, not hellbound, i think there can be a difference

another thing, i wasnt playing L2 for too long, my last crhonicle was C5 (a year ago), so dunno if there are classes balanced, or again rock>scisors>paper etc.

i cant remember clearly, but i think that spellhowler can stand longer in battle by draining (summons are the best for drain), but dunno if that drain rate is changed, and what dmg will that wampiric claw deliver (there is no surrend to darkness or dark vortex landed>vortex is too slow to save ass).

another thing, i dont care about pve, i know a necro or sph can go with no downtime (except buying shots and bones) (if you can afford shoting bones), and sps/sorc will just sit every few minutes, but i dont care


I prefer small pvps, like 1 vs 1 - 4 vs 4 and so on, so there can be an option too..............then need to know what class is most occupied etc (for example, chronicle 4 was called lineMAGE on our server, just 80% mages), so what is on interlude (that will help my choice too, for example, if most players will go gladiator, i would take sps for his kiting ability etc)

so, im still full of questions with no answer, but anyway, thanks to all of you

ok about the outrun a th with dash on
WRONG
your top speed will be like 180 ???
while the th with dash and lets say slow will have like 200 + speed
so he will reach you

Try WC-DC with full buffs for cast +song of renewal+self buff COV and tell me what char can stop it.But ofcourse you will need MP pots,and there isnt MP pots in the normal servers.
So if you want killing machine in PVP server with NPC buffer take Doomcryer.
MEN-4/WIT+4
MEN-1/WIT+!
STR-4/CON+4

Unstopable!

>vindrila> a) i dont think WC is able to act like this b) this topic is about discussion about sps/sph/sorc, not others

>sekkurel> does it mean a fullbuffed TH with NO ice vortex and frostbolt will have speed around 280? i have never seen that speed on normal server

Since Kamael Sorc just kick ass
I've PvP with SH and SPS and they are Fu**ked.

Arcane power->Surrender->Vortex->Buster->Prominence->prominence->?? where is the target ?? oh... he is dead...

Vortex takes down CP, Buster halfes the HP, and then its just 2-3 hits of prominence.

with Dyes WIT+4 Int+4 Dex+4(for running speed)
U have cast speed nearly as good as SPS, and m.atk close to SH.
(in DC robe and Arcana Mace Acumen+3)
And u dont need sleep any more, but still too bad that NCSOFT screwed that skill.

Edit.

1 more thing, for MP u have a Summon, and recharge summon skill - and with that u will never run down on MP.