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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:04 pm 
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u didn't get me. Their critical damage is influenced by their patk. it's not like daggers, influenced by critical power.



No it doesnt.


more patk they have = more critical damage they do. tested. period.



<3 clueless ppl.Check again smartass.Str does not pattk.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:53 pm 
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This is how u calculate a critical hit : p.atack*2*crit_dmg_buf_mod+crit_pasives

This is the formula for elemental skills + PVP weapon : ((100*2*(SkillPower + CharPatk)*AttributeMultiplier) / TargetPdef) * WeaponMultiplier *CriticalModifier *BuffsMultiplier *2 +/- damage variation

This is crush of doom or other normal skills formula : 77 * (patk+power)*2 / pdef

This is enery skills formula(glad/tyrant) : 70 x (Charge Bonus) x (Energy Skill PvP Bonus) x (Soul Shot Bonus) x (Skill Power + PATK) *CriticalModifier *SA PvP Bonus / PDEF = Damage

Feel free to correct me if i am wrong :)
And refrain ur language, u show only ur childish stupidity.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:53 pm 
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I am not sure where u copied ur formula from but sure it doesnt apply for almost any server i have tested.Again spend time to see how things work alone ig cause by c/p things doesnt prove anything.
Its clear enough who is a child and who isnt.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:14 pm 
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NightMar3 wrote:
I am not sure where u copied ur formula from but sure it doesnt apply for almost any server i have tested.Again spend time to see how things work alone ig cause by c/p things doesnt prove anything.
Its clear enough who is a child and who isnt.


formula copied from l2blah, tested by Diego Vargas & the guys (retail server players), same formula is calculated with L2Calculator, same formula applies to any server :). At least, to the normal ones, and not the l2j ones (tested by me on l2dex, Dementia, BoA and High rate DC servers like Inferno, RF & others, damage variations are low, but generally, in all server it's calculated the same).

Since Gracia, skills damage are increased by patk and critical. not by the str, or at least, very little difference. This varies from class to class. What u speak of "STR" is only the Skill Mastery, not critical damage. Skill Mastery does not mean u hit harder during criticals, it only means u can have 0 reuse for skill or doubled duration. At glad/tyr STR = also critical chance, or at least, those are the player's views. Correct me if I am wrong.
Anyway, there are many opinions, but that is the BASIC DAMAGE CALCULATOR and i don't have time to explain all about STR and things.
So u should stop playing loll2j private greek 12yroldowner-servers and start playing l2.

Yep, very clear, since i prove things by normal speaking, not by insulting people that i don't know and do nothing wrong to me:). Maybe it's ur education that makes u insult when discussing.

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:19 pm 
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Another Diego's fanboy what the hell :shock: What makes you think that retail formula applies in l2j servers?My tests on rf show that pattk doesnt influnce dmg almost at all on tyrant/gladi. (+50 dmg ).

i didnt inslut any1.I just dont like ppl pretending to know everything about game just because they read it from Diego.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:28 pm 
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NightMar3 wrote:
Another Diego's fanboy what the hell :shock: What makes you think that retail formula applies in l2j servers?My tests on rf show that pattk doesnt influnce dmg almost at all on tyrant/gladi. (+50 dmg ).

i didnt inslut any1.I just dont like ppl pretending to know everything about game just because they read it from Diego.


Fanboy? Diego is one of the few real l2 players around here. And it isn't just him who test these things, he has a full team that test everything.
Retail > l2j. U want to tell me that l2j is more important and i'm not right cuz it's retail ? lolz. If it doesn't apply to l2j => lol l2j.
And i joined l2blah for like an year, i spend more time on pmfun than on Diego's.
I never supposed i know everything about the game, i just know very many things from my l2 experience (almost 7 years already - playing it since c3) and from guides/tutorials/discussions with pro l2 players, not l2j ones, so u can trust me when i say something :)

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:39 pm 
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Fak formulas, thats the most basic knowledge that str gives p atk ^^

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:45 pm 
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7r0yan wrote:
Fak formulas, thats the most basic knowledge that str gives p atk ^^


neah he is smartass. he is pro l2j player, don't doubt his l2 knowledge !!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:50 pm 
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NightMar3 wrote:
Another Diego's fanboy what the hell :shock: What makes you think that retail formula applies in l2j servers?My tests on rf show that pattk doesnt influnce dmg almost at all on tyrant/gladi. (+50 dmg ).


and what makes you think that your tests are of any revelance on a server that is not l2off? If patk makes so little difference in skill damage then there must be something wrong lol

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:13 pm 
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7r0yan wrote:
Fak formulas, thats the most basic knowledge that str gives p atk ^^


Nobody said that str doesnt give pattk.Read carefully we are talking if pattk increases tyrant/glad's skill dmg.

@Idool from ur experience then u should know that pattk affects a little bit dmg of these classes.I wonder what tests u did on inferno/rf lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:17 pm 
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Retail > l2j. U want to tell me that l2j is more important and i'm not right cuz it's retail ? lolz. If it doesn't apply to l2j => lol l2j.


Learn to read..Where did i say sth like this??I said that retail formulas have nothing to do with l2j.Thats why l2j<retail.


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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:53 pm 
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IdooL wrote:
Retail > l2j.


You play l2j, not retail :) things are different .

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:00 am 
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IdooL wrote:
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Another Diego's fanboy what the hell :shock: What makes you think that retail formula applies in l2j servers?My tests on rf show that pattk doesnt influnce dmg almost at all on tyrant/gladi. (+50 dmg ).

i didnt inslut any1.I just dont like ppl pretending to know everything about game just because they read it from Diego.


Fanboy? Diego is one of the few real l2 players around here. And it isn't just him who test these things, he has a full team that test everything.
Retail > l2j. U want to tell me that l2j is more important and i'm not right cuz it's retail ? lolz. If it doesn't apply to l2j => lol l2j.
And i joined l2blah for like an year, i spend more time on pmfun than on Diego's.
I never supposed i know everything about the game, i just know very many things from my l2 experience (almost 7 years already - playing it since c3) and from guides/tutorials/discussions with pro l2 players, not l2j ones, so u can trust me when i say something :)

how about u start reading and comprehending b4 posting bullshit?


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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:18 am 
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what u mean ? :)
he said perfectly "P.atk does not increase critical damage", i showed him the formula, and everybody knows that bigger p.atk = bigger critical damage in classes which P. atk counts for critical damage (tyr/glad/titan etc, practically every class except dagger, kamael i think etc).
If he plays l2j, then bad for him that p.atk does not increase critical damage.
So how about u start reading full posts before trolling ? :)
nightmare, u showed me your knowledge about l2. no more discussions with u :).
/closetopic pls, if Formulas needed, i will make a post sometimes, when i'll have time. This topic is going way too dramatic and too much hate :)

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 Post subject: Re: Overall Daggers
PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:01 am 
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@IdooL raidfight is l2j as well :)

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