but how can they kill the summoner? they get stuned, they lose their ww and haste, and on top of it if they focus on the summoner they have to take a beating from the summon, if they go after the summon they get nuked by the summoner...
on top of it they do less than half their normal damage to the summoner because of transfer pain, and the summoner can heal its summon as if it were a bishop...

The summoner can be killed by continuously rooting the summon or the summoner. Root -> ud, take as much crap as you can.

For the sk, cubics play a key part (yes, giant, phantom cubic decreases pdef, patk and atk speed. that will make the summon dps very low) in vs summoner pvp. Strong poison for the summoner, land a little sting and keep yourself on his ass. ALWAYS use the life leech on the summon. The summon's mdef is much lower than its master's. You can feed on hp with it, just like you feed on the hk's panther in pvp. But vs summoner it's extremely hard...

Anyway, hk really has no chance vs summoners. Sk and tk have aegis passive which gives them 360 degree shield defence capability. The pala and da only have 180% and guess what, the summon is running, the tank after him, and the summon chasing the tank. Hitting him from behind. That hurts.

smart cubics can get rid of most debuffs, does that include root? because i have that same skill (shackle) and it never works...
gets rid of poison, stun, slow, root, bleed, silence and a long list of etc`s for the Elemental summoner.

so i still cant see how can a TK or SK beat a summoner and i cant. i mean, summoners can use warrior and/or mage bane, plus if they nuke you so you are easily interrupted when trying to drain.

The summon doesnt hit that hard anyway (maybe kai does, being so fast and having high damage), its just that i cant deal enough damage to the summoner with them running from me and everything.

btw.... where can u check the effect of the enchanted skill ?

plix help ;>

Summoners are easy beatable in oly for...healers.hk should kick some ass if u get good augment effect

i am kicking asses, i just dont like lossing agaist summoners....
berely beat one today, and that was because he really sucked.

i dont really know much about SK`s, all i know is that i`ve never considered them to be good... at anything, dunno if its because it takes a especial kind of player to play them right or just because the class suck and the wins you get are because of fighting underleveled and underequiped players, or players that just plain suck.

well, you are pretty much clueless

maybe, who knows, but in pvp they are just "not so good tanks that kinda do more damage than other tanks".
the only thing i like about them is the 360 block.

simple and short
+1

As i said, maybe i am (clueless that is), all the servers i`ve played in where full of robes and i know thats where the SK should shine, but it never did.
i`ve beaten SK`s that where 2 or 3 lvls above me and had the same or better equipment, the only thing thats remotely dangerous about them in my experience is their lighting, but if you use fortitude it shouldnt be a problem, so either that class sucks or i`ve just never played agaist someone that knew how to use it.

ok my opinion ... a dificult match but u can win stun teh summon or root and go for teh summoner with bow or sword... like euphoria said revenge always on and use insane crusher also ToD ... however I don't see many chances if the summoner has majestic... anti stunz0r

... and Sk can pwn anything with eyes closed... <-------(that is a clue) wtf I thought that it was a diskussion for HK vs summonzor...!!!

dude...you'r a bit late....one year later...and also so useless

Root the summon - summoner can clean the root in no time
Stun the summon - and do what ? you stuned the summon and the summoner is already in the other corner pwning you with his nukes .

I'm only 2 month's late xD..I saw that after posting