yes yes

topic locked, there is enough pro/con sk and pro/con DA

don't lock topics that people still discuss

reopened in case somebody else has something to say

ok i didn't read all the pages >< so i will just say what i think.sk vs da.sk i the most offensive tank.in normal occasions he can easily beat da.da's p.atck is too low to dmg sk.so is his dex and speed.panther is good but gets killed easily and can't be summoned back without being canceled.now let's be specific about skills.sk has ls (very usefull especially on panther), hex and power break,bleed.but most usefull the cubics!!powerfull debuffs such as decrease p.def p.atck atck speed. poison,drain too.the only skill da has better is hamstring.it lands more often than freezing strike.but at 77 sk vs da changes completely.da has a chance at beating sk 'cause of shield slam.shield bash only cancels target or stun momentarilly when shield slam has a 40 % cance to cause silence (not being able to use physical skills).if that happens then game is on and victory is not certain for anyone.cubics are helpful but with only physical attacks able for the sk it's an even match.

About shield slam. Come on my man, sk uses magical skills mostly. Shield bash > shield slam in tank pvp. Just because a DA won't cancel the target of an sk, he can only cancel his spells if the sk gets stunned, which is not probably in mj heavy set, while the sk will cancel the DA's target in case he switches to ud and summons the panther.

ofc there is no chance to re-summon the pet of the da since you have shield bash.but if shield slam lands.. which will propably will since the pvp will last long and da will get his cances,you won't be able to use shield bash after that.so only regular hits.and mp is not enough for the whole match.and shield slam cancels target too..even if it's stunning effect doesn't land.and they both have a landing rate 80%.so even with maj it lands occasionaly.(although i don't suggest maj for sk).so i really think that it's all about how you play it an how you use your sk's speed to kite around or fight when needed.well actually.. it's all about the epics .but if i had to bet my money one someone it would be the sk.

Agree with you. But remember, an sk normally goes for som magic power once he's under 75% hp. Why 75% hp? Because he will probably use health weapon as a main.

if you are talking about getting som magic power as a second weap i'd prefer a drac bow focus.not especially against da but generally.after all you can still crit for 1k with that on a robe.i realy don't think that an addition of 170 m.atck will really be such a dramatic change for ls landing rates.

it willl..maybe u rly dont know but all sks(those who have enough cash and brains) have som +mag power....it makes really big difference and sks is great offensive tank imo DA with his low p atk (lower then SK) when gets p break goes to hell and ofcourse hex wich lowers p def and ofcourse freeze that lowers ur speed MORE!and u r slow moving shitty damagin still with some def tank vs SK that has some self buffs(might/shield effects) and cubix all his curses nice drains etc..with higher atk spd/crit chance/cast spd/balblablalba

Exactly. As i stated in another topic, pvp vs an sk is a pain. You get attacked in all possible directions. Weaken, physical, magical, damage over time. It's horrible.

i red that icarus it was very very nice:)
conclusion?:both are kinda offens tanx cuz DA has panthr but rly SK is the real fighter cuz all his skills are offensive.we are not talking about smth like tod/blabla ncsoft have added cubix,nukes,pbrk,hex its ur choice but -is low con and that means lower stun res. so its only matter of playstyle lvl and equipment.