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 Post subject: Re: L2-TDP - Brand New Epilogue Server 3/6/10 Many Features
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:02 am 
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I tried to edit the first post but no longer have that option. You don't always catch mistakes or realize you missed something until you've had a chance to look at it. I didn't want to bother an admin to fix it or add to it. I figured that it gave enough basics that people would want to take a look if it fit there style.

The "Pet Buffs" is a pet buffer. Allows you to buffer your pet. Only the basics are in buffer. Warsmith and summons are not in there. Normal raids are x10 but raid jewels are x5. If you figure the raid drops 4-5 bless scrolls on average and shared among the party that's not much plus those same ones aren't going to be the only ones killing them.

We are waiting to ask the community about the skill certs. Originally we were considering disabling it but for now we are waiting. If we continued with them then yes we would adjust the subs.


I am very reasonable and great to get along with but I don't like nor do I have to take comments that are wrong or unjustified. GoDs3nD, you bring up great points and I have no problem talking about them. Just don't call us a failure without a fair chance. On the other hand I do understand the comment that NFA made. I've played many servers like that but we are going to try our best to do it differently. I’m heading home. Yall have a good day.


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 Post subject: Re: L2-TDP - Brand New Epilogue Server 3/6/10 Many Features
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:04 am 
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Lhyno wrote:
high rb-drops= everyone gets his eq from there->spoilers/ws are mostly out
mppots->mana burn skills and recharge worthless - ee, se, bishop, pp out - high mp use characters will be OP-d [glads, nukers, daggers, overlords, etc]
npc buffer = buffer classes out
subclass w/o class= anonymus heroes

personally, i don't care if there is a custom server
i'm just telling you that what most ppl want is not this
if u like it, then don't let others down you, do your best, but it'll be rly difficult

we would all change extremely lot of things, i got ideas too which would make everything back to normal, but since everyone has it's own taste, most ppl stay with the basic and accept it, that's why custom servers don't work out well


bp/ee out ;) u got a interesting way of playstyle i suppose u use healing pots instead of bp and ee

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 Post subject: Re: L2-TDP - Brand New Epilogue Server 3/6/10 Many Features
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:59 pm 
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L2-TDP wrote:
I tried to edit the first post but no longer have that option. You don't always catch mistakes or realize you missed something until you've had a chance to look at it. I didn't want to bother an admin to fix it or add to it. I figured that it gave enough basics that people would want to take a look if it fit there style.

The "Pet Buffs" is a pet buffer. Allows you to buffer your pet. Only the basics are in buffer. Warsmith and summons are not in there. Normal raids are x10 but raid jewels are x5. If you figure the raid drops 4-5 bless scrolls on average and shared among the party that's not much plus those same ones aren't going to be the only ones killing them.

We are waiting to ask the community about the skill certs. Originally we were considering disabling it but for now we are waiting. If we continued with them then yes we would adjust the subs.


I am very reasonable and great to get along with but I don't like nor do I have to take comments that are wrong or unjustified. GoDs3nD, you bring up great points and I have no problem talking about them. Just don't call us a failure without a fair chance. On the other hand I do understand the comment that NFA made. I've played many servers like that but we are going to try our best to do it differently. I’m heading home. Yall have a good day.

okay i admit that i made a mistake
i didnt explain why i agree with him
the server to survive has to offer something unique
lets see:a mid rate with npc buffer and mp pots(mppots=HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE ISSUE!!!!!!!->read lhynos post) with increased rb droprate(jewels 5?ull get x5 baium for example or uve boosted the droprate just for the aq/orfen/core ?)
do u understand that if mp is not an issue at all u reduce greatly the amount of chars that have to join a rb party thuss easing raiding the bosses and boosting up the enchanting and rb jewels gathering even more?
just in my opinion(u can simply ignore it cuz i am not a part of the server team but u can also take it as an advice) u shouldnt relay that much on the comunity since the sv might end up just like any other server-nothing unique..just the casual "crap"
i think that u absolutely understand that the most of the comunity might sustain outta 15 yo children that would agree on anything that they like without even thinking for a split second that certain feature might unbalance the game totaly
and after the "kiddos"(we take as an example the worst possible version) vote for a certain feature and the sv gets totaly unbalanced ppl start whining
ofcourse sane players leave imediately
i hope u will take the right decision
i support lhynos opinion fully

ps:feel free to ask for ANY changes related to the topic ANYTIME


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:03 pm 
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btw god iv played low rate srv without pots but with custmoized merrage ( u get love bow and 1 shot of love bow arrow = 220 mp :P ) so the same sh1t raids were droping 9 jews and srv actualy survived quite long and it was gr8 srv ;P it was the most unique sieges iv ever participated

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:47 pm 
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m1nc wrote:
Lhyno wrote:
high rb-drops= everyone gets his eq from there->spoilers/ws are mostly out
mppots->mana burn skills and recharge worthless - ee, se, bishop, pp out - high mp use characters will be OP-d [glads, nukers, daggers, overlords, etc]
npc buffer = buffer classes out
subclass w/o class= anonymus heroes

personally, i don't care if there is a custom server
i'm just telling you that what most ppl want is not this
if u like it, then don't let others down you, do your best, but it'll be rly difficult

we would all change extremely lot of things, i got ideas too which would make everything back to normal, but since everyone has it's own taste, most ppl stay with the basic and accept it, that's why custom servers don't work out well


bp/ee out ;) u got a interesting way of playstyle i suppose u use healing pots instead of bp and ee


i meant differently
i played se, bishop, ee too
but just for heals it's not so great
they have a great arsenal of skills, but their manaburn, recahrge, mana gain and things like that will be useless

though think of it, somewhat u're right, it'll make the bishop über if the mppot allows him to use battle heal constantly


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:24 pm 
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m1nc wrote:
btw god iv played low rate srv without pots but with custmoized merrage ( u get love bow and 1 shot of love bow arrow = 220 mp :P ) so the same sh1t raids were droping 9 jews and srv actualy survived quite long and it was gr8 srv ;P it was the most unique sieges iv ever participated

a place where all BRs played together right?:D


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:59 pm 
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Mana Potions make game a lot unbalanced. It is the worst custom ever made. Some classes (Nuckers/ OL/ Daggers) are stronger than others but they do depend on MP. If MP is endless, they never die.

Increased RB drops kick completely out of the game classes like Warsmith or Spoilers, since already a lot of people don't play them as main chars.

Increased RB drops also discourage people get out of towns as to get a clan geared you just need 1, max 2 raids. Then the clan never goes back again, resulting to less raids, so less PvP (PvP at RB grounds is one of the best aspects of Lineage II) and less fun.

Increased RB drops also create a huge difference in gameplay as the first clan which will raid Baium (for example) will get baium rings for almost half of its clan members, making it instantly a lot stronger than other clans.

Increased Adena rate a lot more than XP/SP: Players will have a lot of adena spare, so no one will look for adena (thus no sell items/ craft/ farm) so every one will just sit in town (once again).

Increased chances on Blessed Scrolls with combination of the above, create the same balance issues with gear and OE.

Max subclass raised to 4, increases also the number of Certification Skills, resulting on a race on who will get first to the 4th sub so he can get OP. Low rates are not for reaching lvl85 the fastest possible, low rates are for enjoying the way till lvl85 so you can appreciate more your high level char.

Increased Manor rate is your biggest mistake of all. With this people will run around with thousands of enchant scrolls and OE start wars weapons. Manor drop rate should be never above x4. You will also kick completely Spoilers out (as you already nerfed them with RB drop rate) as Manor has already better results than Spoil.

Three hours buffs? OMG, so you want Assistants out of the game too right?

Auto learn skills: A lot of SP free for Skill Enchant, Clan leveling etc. SP farming is part of this game too, remember?

Subclass without Quest: Whatever comes fast, goes fast too. Players will come in hundreds but after a month will be dead place.

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Too tired to discuss the rest. The conclusion:
A game with Lineage II textures but without Fighters (remember Mana Potions?), without crafters (Manor + RB rates) and without Assistats (NPC Buffer + Buff duration).

What is left:
Daggers/ OLs/ Nuckers and some other classes with high MP usage.

Your biggest mistake:
The rates. They should be x5000 not x20. This server has everythng a (lol)PvP server has but the rates.

My personal opinion?
Terribly disappointed as I saw "many features" I expected retail ones and I was quite happy to see good retail implementations. But many features was in the end, "many customs".
Unfortunetely even your custom "features" have nothing special. Most are already on L2j and the rest are shared on l2j forums.

Want to make something special?
Make a Gracia Epilogue mid-rate (not above x20) with Shops up to C grade, no vitality, lower rate for herbs, newbie helper up to lvl39, no common items, something with old-school feeling.

Keep your website design, its really good!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:02 pm 
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searching for servers at mid rate isnt as easy as before. Stumbled on this one, cuz it's website showcases what the server is..precision and dedication of its Admin and GM's.Lets put it this way If you not playing with the devil your not playing. Cya's ingame if u dare :shock:

seen a list of negativity about the server..quit typing get ingame than spam!! Tired of seeing players spam crap w/o trying the server. I run spoiler and crafter and if I m useless my mates would be w/o gear..ask em... challenge em to pvp , try to ks raids :twisted:


girl with attitude..is better than a guy with QQ

:roll: and Nekys shouldnt u be promoing ur own server/s ?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:11 pm 
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sunnigirl wrote:
:roll: and Nekys shouldnt u be promoing ur own server/s ?


Shouldn't I share my experience to the more novice ones so better private servers exist thus result into better community with more faith on L2j-based servers and privates in general.

Other than that, they don't need promotion.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:05 pm 
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Nekys wrote:
sunnigirl wrote:
:roll: and Nekys shouldnt u be promoing ur own server/s ?


Shouldn't I share my experience to the more novice ones so better private servers exist thus result into better community with more faith on L2j-based servers and privates in general.

Other than that, they don't need promotion.


here's the thing ok...u maybe a seasoned pro ..fact is u run ur own server..fact is this forum is created to make other players aware of the servers available..fact is everyone has a different play style..fact is i respect ur advice but seriously this forum was created to inform players of availablity to other servers not steer them in one direction and a biased one at that..I watch the forums closely and I hate to point this out, in general you comments have a negative overture..I'm not Admin or GM but a player who is tired of hopping from mid rate to mid rate, not any different than any other person that is reading these posts...its time good dev's and server's providing good game play be acknowlege and promoted by those who are ingame and have tested many aspects of the server.This isnt intended as a flame to u personally this forum provides a venue for ppl who play to express their opinion on the server they are playing on. Enuff said I bow out gracefully..with a challenge to those looking for a quality server to come try devil's playground

Perhaps it would be an idea to address this forum's admin to include a posting for the Guru's of L2 a venue to critique servers they have actually tested


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:21 pm 
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Partially I agree with you sunnigirl, still I have done good comments to many servers too but usually bad servers are the most (that is a fact, you know it better than me) than the good ones, thus my bad comments would be for sure more than the good ones!

Personally I do not consider myself a pro. I do not know many things about this game and I do not develop. I just know how to make a server hold tight its people and be stable (not only by the technical term but in gameplay too).

Thank you for your kind comment anyway, it really honoured me.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:29 pm 
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:lol: Your welcome..but til u try it dunt deny it k's? Now enuff spamming cyas ingame :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:02 am 
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looks nice... me and my friends will give it a chance.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:09 pm 
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Nice server , didnt found any problems till S grade , population a bit to low but it can grow .


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