that's why i edited
but in hb a +se is almost useless if u got a wc
berzerker imo should be left out of pts like this, rather soulbreaker with +4rapier then

disagree
berserkers are better imo

i haven't played much berzerkerz, been with them in party though
it's just more atractive to see death mark, curse life flow, rapier party buff and soul vortex, believe it or not....with a guy we were thinking about this too what to choose, but i said sb

if there's any opinion why it's better, i would like to hear it ofc=o3

SB AND BERS both PWN.
But imo BErserker is better at farming and i Say that because there are lots of mobs with rapier resist and there are no mobs with ancient sword resist, and vicious temper is a big help

SB is also good for leveling, but you have to search mobs without rapier resist.
SB needs a party. In a party with +4 weapon it is just very nice.

But in pvp both classes rule

Yep they rule but for me kamaels just aint for farm..

any farm party would love having any kamael in their party imo...

Judicator yes but.. others... aa meby soulhound

hex+vtemper+judgement+stigma+crit wound=/pwned

Every farm party wants kamael.

Melee parties want Bers for Vicious, and They like SB too.
In fact SB is good for everyone
It is true for Inspector too.
And Arbalester is nice for archers, but yea, archers are pretty rare

death mark>vicious temper
vamp problems are solved by the sb, also, don't underestimate it because of rapier resist, as a mage it can perform well too if it's neccessary, soul vortex is the best vortex IG and the crusher is good too

i just love sbs


look, death mark > soul wortex > target canceling nuke > leopold > crusher not alot of classes will stand this combo but if they will sb will jsut teleport/ rush to enemy use fear spell/ root if needed and repeat combo.

the low lvl DM will land on mobs ~78?
havent tryed but if it lands zerker could have a lil advantage
but i doubt

fcking kamaels i hate em coz they can only sub other kamaels^^.
btw +1 for berz

+1
This subclass restriction system is pure bullshit.
I would be a darkelf/elf SB if i could but nooo....

there is no restriction
the fact is that ncsoft is lazy to make the animations, so they came up with this restriction story
in freya however, i saw human male mage holding rapier\a.sword\crossbow without stiff standard character standing, so i think the restriction will soon be history