what u have to laff ? i see u never saw the real orcish power when a destro get in frenzy zealot rage , it is good for pvp 2 , with 1 shot he made me 12k dmg , and i have 8khp+2,5kcp , on pve destro makes more dmg on lesser mobs and wl less dmg but on more mobs , so they are the same for me

we are not talking abut pvp i agree with that destro more dmg less mobs=wl more mobs less dmg and in pvp wl isn't made for pvp

But is hard to handle him on low hp+with Wl u no need to go and hit the moobs only to use "Provoke".

+1 he is a pve chardo u ever heard of batle roar ?

Do u know how much back's the battle roar?Anyway the destro can easy die before get all moobs and the Wl will use only "Provoke"

it gives around 1,5k hp and if u think that destroyer will loose 30%hp before he actives 3 skills gg man ... u say that u need only to agro mobs with the wl ? nah ... provoke -> howl -> and than earth quakes till they die

lol guys..
If you really believe that WL > Destro in PvE, then you know shit, honestly.
Destro will polearm and frenzy/zealot on, will get his hp from 50%
to 100% after 2-3 hits max. lol

Destro + epics can make FoG with pole only by soloing with vampiric.

But ofc WL / COV'er / BD / SWS /BS it's the best combination for xp'ing an Out Comer. (In Disciples for example). It's safe and stable.

WARLORD IS NOT GOOD FOR HOF TRAINS
DESTROYER IS >_< go for destroyer !!!
Destroyer also good for PVP...close range thow but still a pvp =)
Best method 2 see witch one is better is 2 pvp with 1 of this clases ;P

Ppl that know too much usualy know nothing. Using a polearm u can affect a certain number of mobs. Classes that dont have polearm mastery have no chanses to xp with a poleare otherwhise u`ll see lots of tyrants using it. Wl has a skill that encreases the number of affected mobs, the destro has no such skill. The Wl is verry stable char for XP u wont die with him even with 2-3 cata rooms. Destro depends on his 3-4skills to survive but the number of mobs he affects is not that much. + Its totaly stupid to go around in the room hiting avary mob to follow u... basicly. The time needed by the WL to kill 3 cata rooms is smaler than the time needed by a destroyer to do it. True on the PVP servers dino island is easy to xp a destro with +16 armor and weapon but on low rates its just a bit more different.

The guy that made that topic must say if he wants to lvl-up fast or to make a pvp char. Honestly i think nither of them is a pvp char but thats MO. + CT1 u lose frenzy in the minute u go over 30% wich is with the first strike of the pole.What are u speaking about at all frenzy is dead.

- pvp: go for destro ( not the best pvp char btw ) but maybe better than Wl
- pve: go for WL

hmm yes that's what i tried to tell them ....
WL - even he does low dmg he gets high atk spd ( thrill fight ) he can hit way more mobs ( fell swoop and with wide blow it becomes a giant range ) and he can pull whole rooms in catas with 1 skill ( provoke ) and has 2 ( 3 on 3 rd class ) AoE stuns which are very useful .
destro - yes he does hella dmg but he has very low atk spd he can't provoke mobs so he has to hit every mob 1 by 1 if they aren't agro/social and he won't last long on dozens of mobs (frenzy and zealot have reuse time you know and with his atk spd its kinda much ) without AOE stuns because his ton of hp will fall fast
oh and yes i played both of them .

You're usually right but here you're wrong... The frenzy doesn't wear off when 30% hp is passed, it just goes from +400% patk to +50% patk, and that means the destro will come at low hp again, and stabilise going under 30% then over 30%, under, over, etc. This skill ensures the maximum capacity for the destro.

It's true, wl is more stable, because the pole is his primary weapon, but then again: do you really think a wl will have enough mana to spam skills? No. He will rely on howl and earthquake, and that's all. Remember that destro has earthquake too.

On the other hand, the destro is more 'risky' but can chop down 3 rooms of mobs in a few seconds. Wl has a skill to increse the aoe. That's true but you must be an asshole to sit with 3 rooms next to you and stop in the middle of the empty space. The destro will get cover near a wall so he can hit those who are in front of him and still be sure nothing will get at his back.

And btw you said the overall time to kill would be shorter because the wl has aggress. That aggress has a rather high cooldown. And it doesn't have such a big aoe as you guys say.

I know dont worry and BTW its 300% under 30% and 50% obove. Lets say that u have 1k atack on normal stats with pole with destro frenzy gives 50% = 1500 p.atack with pole above 30% + rage + zealot + OTB u will still give enought dmg to keep on that lvl of HP maybe even increase so u are like WL with higher p.atack but smaler number of affected mobs which automaticly makes u slower in killing. U`ll have to stop hitting to lower the hp becoming even slower at the XP-ing.
This is the skill that makes WL supperior to destro in PVE:
FeLL Swoop: Temporarily increases the number of enemies affected by your spear attack. An equipped spear is required to use this skill. Effect 4.
The number of mobs u hit is bigger. If destro can hit 10 mobs at the same time. WL will hit 20 thats what its all about.
Don`t get me wrong i love all orcs but in terms of superiority in PVE - WL beats destro.

lol that only works in T1 afaik...
And saying that wl is better than destro in Pve...
Its not even close.....
WL needs cov/bd/sws to be ANY effective...
Destro with just ch buffs can do 2 rooms per frenzy...
WL can kill for more time...but in the end destro will have killed 3 times
as many mobs after 20 mins...

sorry dude, but if you really think that, u've never played with a real warlord.