SH will always be a powerhouse class, with cast speed capped (and reachable by SH), and matk not capped, they're beasts if properly geared.

and mch rate capped
thats good boost to sh

Sps got pwnd by those changes, their main advantage was cast speed/mcrit, and now any nuker can reach the cap.

ok...and one more question..what is the typical RB setup in HB/Gracia?
same as IL with titans but with a tank to keep agro, or can they be done with nukers again?:P

sure with shield of faith/deflect magic/anti magic/shield deflect magic that all tanks have? pala?
or any daggers with hide? aw-th?
or summoners with banes, even wlk with arcane?
or,or,or,or

about half of the class it can't kill at all
for pve it's nice, but nukers are dead in pvp much like archers since gracia

and yeah, wanna see a nuker rbp
it's mostly fighter age now

i did
but they totally screwed them up

then how about a pala as main? yes,no? comment plz:D
do i get RB parties/PVE parties?
and in terms of pvp..

You're comparing nuke damage against tanks with UD's, so just change your argument on that aspect. Daggers with hide, awesome, daggers are mage killers, not much of a surprise here. Banes affect every class and just not nukers, so why is it a problem only for nukers? Also, unless it got changed, banes don't remove combo buffs, so you can pop an acu pot and you're back to normal.

Now on the other hand, in mass pvp, an end game SH fucks up light armor classes, as well as non tank heavy armor classes. With an elemented dynasty robe set (or vesper if it's REALLY stacked), full buffs, and a healer, they're extremely strong classes in pvp. Just because you can't target properly, doesn't mean they aren't a strong class.

omaygowd, hey? kop-kop, it's gracia epi - combo buffs ARE removed

the fact that sh can't handle the most common classes means that they are not that useful as they were b4

Sorry Lhyno, but there is nothing that a well played LUCKY SH cannot handle

then make it a lucky necro with curse of doom:)

combo buffs?improved buffs?like blood awakening and movement?

Anytime...anywhere Sh is the bomb (except olympiad - there is almost a zero)
Empower echo + arcane power + anti mage vortex 100 times better than transfer pain + 1 summon + all short range curses in the world

lol?
beast sph reaching 75-80k m att for 1 min at god mode can chance all castle or fortress rush in mather of seconds whit hsi cylone criginh for 100k dmg to atributed wind armors..


had screan from goddard cs when redzergs 80 ppl~ failed on rush from 1 sph standing on the wall and using cyclone at gate rush..

why ?
no warry anyway Arion will prolly be hb which means sph=the bomb !



it's amazing what a sts with top equip can do at oly;)



this quote.. joke of the year