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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:51 pm 
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guys... I read this forum a lot, but never posted, but I see that is a good time to do so.

Some introduction, I played 2 months ago x7 server with warlord, had 84 lvl, dynasty armor, saint spear health +6 with pvp might augu, skills +17/+20,
aq/baium/zaken/antharas and dyna necklake.
also forgotten scroll-fighters will, only ;/

So, about dyes... if u wanna pvp, make +4 or +5 str (very often you will get skill mastery-critical hits from skills, and also big power of them, sometimes u can get no-reuse of revival (omfg that rox) or battle roar, lionheart, and u can have duoble power of battle roar (restores even 9k hp)
bonuses also include CP restore
and make -4dex +4 con (thons of hp/cp-> I have 4,8k cp and 13k hp selfbuff
so revival starts at 1300 hp
also u will have nice p atak with final frenzy and you will have it long (when hp falls under 30%, restore ur CP and make combo -. shock spamp (if fail, use thinderstorm, use two skills from gracia final that damage 1 target, than again earthquake, again two skills from Gracia final (dont remember name) and with some crits u make omfg overdamage)

you will say that warlord with -9 dex is slow... yes, it is. but who care? with good equipment u can easily own archers using only shock blast (ya, I did it few times ahaha :D) or swithiching the bow
dager classes-no comment, what dager can make 5k +13k dmg in 15 secs (its max time that u need to kill it using only skills)
and remember, with AQ and focus atack u have lol crits (no need to use VS, its only farming tool if there are no mana potions)

I played warlord bechause i love it.
U have only hard to win olympiad with gladi and tyrant (nukers go home after 2-3 skills if one is crit)
and also with paladin, bechause u cant outdamage him with skills when he use tol
put your armor stones to darc resistance, bechause nukers really suxx again your wtf hp+cp)and much clases use drain.

From final, use parry stance (you must know when you can use it and when not), decreased attack speed dont reduce skill reuse, and clases like daggers hit you from skills for 1-3k crits.
also armor-imperial isnt bad, bechause with -9 dex you are slow, so root resistance is good way. But remember, you have lionheart so 80% resistance wil let you to kill bufers in 60 sec (sometimes duration doubles or u can use it again :P)

at this moment Im retired from playing, bechause of low activity on server, 1 stupid haxx paladin that have armor lol enchanted and gladi with S duals +16 :P (he hunt down nuker with 1 banana skill:D)
if you have pr0 bishop on your back (restore life rox, fullbufed u can get even 25k hp) u are siege machine-people dont run away, so you use all mass skills when they are ready, when hp is low, turn on parry stance to make revival safer (300-400 p def and m def make big difference in dmg)
I dont remember from what chronicle revival is usable under 10% of hp, not 5%, but finally its possible to use on pvp :P

farming-up to 79 dark omen (ye, blue mobs, but u get much aa that you can trade for anything as its always in good price)
also, u can exp in fog making S rec quest (good trades too) and imperial tomb (dedect weaknes to bugs increase your dmg) and when you finish 4s quest u can choose S recipes too)
later HB only :P on chimeras you have bost p atak against magic creatures, but the other mobs are good too (this flying one, dunno the name, they drop much books on S80 rec Q)
with good eqiupment, you can tank RB's, the best are RB like galaxia, ketra & varka ones that have much RFighters->nice hp drain, u have much HP so bish restore u.
maybe someday Ill make osme movies and post 'em on pmfun, I can make screenshots of my char it u wanna see stats or whatever

P.S. I have 2 polearms, try to put hold augument in one (xa0x0ax0ax0ax, u take acumen on olympiad and make lol, it often land if u have more epic than enemy:P mine is land rate about 40% about clases without passive hold resistances)

GL & HV, Wl since Gracia Final have imba skills that make him nice DD dealer in 1 vs 1, so u will have much fun I think.

EDIT: from some chronicles, epic dont give only stun resistnace, also increase chance of your stun so the best are this, which increase it. Dont use shock blas as primary stun, low stun chance, low damage, and you loose 450 hp (on mass pvp u can try, bcoz u hit much players so it multiply your amd and stun chance) also earthquake eat your hp, so dont use it against tank clases and some heavy armor users, if you want to kill fast somebody like archer, dager, destro (ya, try to stun before his 30% hp in any way) nuker, supporter, bishops etc.
summoner tactic-decrease summon's hp to 50%, use shock blast on the player so he loose target, and finish summon with combo (check skills reuse to use them all the time).
you can have also problem with sws-song of wind, hunter, earth, draco bow or icar and he run-hes much more taff than Silver ranger so blasters and shooting with bow wont kill him (deflect arrow).
also, blaster, earthquake and shock stamp have chance to cancel target, so use it wisely (when archer is nubb, u can stop him by blaster for 1-2 secs and try to stun with other skills, remember that stamp have small area efect, and thinder storrm bigger ;])

TIP: against clases that stun and dont lower your hp faster than 1 minute, use lionheart when your hp is becoming low-they wont stun you and finish with you without revival ;]
from final spoilers/crafters get nice boost with stun chance (also WL thinderstorm, and WC/OL crush & tyrant stun)

P.S. 2
on mid and high rate my dyes could not be good, choose your own, decide-wanna be faster and more DMG, or you want run slow and be taff)
Somebody said about fassive focus augu-its only good to farming. Try to get passive chance CP recovery (ye, u can get in all fight about 2-6k cp for free, depend of luck) or might/pvp might, haste from gracia final sux)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:45 am 
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GoDs3nD wrote:
im saying that he is saying that tezza sux which is equal to "bonus stun land rate sux"
because thats the main boost when u r fighting any class(especialy adventurer->that was his main arguement right?that frintezza sux vs adventurer...)


u have a bad habit of not reading into what ppl write seriously ill type it again for you

step1:
Reflect 5% of melee range physical damage(guess what dumbass tezza and valakas both have this effect)

step2:
Now go and see how mirage works

if u still dont understand why u should NOT use tezza OR valakas(yes maybe i didn t explain myself clearly on this point) vs an adv go play runescape


also for the guy that posted before me i only say:
LOL
"you can tank RB's"
SURE U CAN MATE


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:31 am 
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y, u can

i will make movie today xD
u need epic jevelery to have big VR :P

btw galaxia sux bcoz it hit me veeery low:P

ofc u cant hold him with provoke (no power of skill), but with fighters party nobody care if RB hit him (light armor often evade hits and heavy armor get low damage-1 healer is enough)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:38 pm 
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kyafag or whoever u r

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hint: dont use frintezza against adv for example


those are ur words
in the next post when u got ur ass raped u changed ur mind and said that u would use valakas vs archmage
OMG UR SO DAMN GENIUS!!ur momy gave u a cookie for that or what?

next time when u talk bullshit and u get pwned admit it or just stfu
now go and check out what means bonus stun chance on a character that has more stuns than any other ingame
ur a complete failure


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:34 pm 
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GoDs3nD wrote:
kyafag or whoever u r

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hint: dont use frintezza against adv for example


those are ur words


yes they are and they are correct
my fault for trying to explain something to ppl who dont know shit about the game they play
if after 3 posts explaining it u still dont know why frintezza/valakas or any reflect damage buff is bad when u fight an adventurer u should just go bury yourself deep inside a pile of steaming shit


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u didnt explain a shit idiot
after u got pwned u said that u would use valakas vs archmage like thats something unknown..
stfu
gtfo
use frintezza
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:42 pm 
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kyaa wrote:
GoDs3nD wrote:
kyafag or whoever u r

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hint: dont use frintezza against adv for example


those are ur words


yes they are and they are correct
my fault for trying to explain something to ppl who dont know shit about the game they play
if after 3 posts explaining it u still dont know why frintezza/valakas or any reflect damage buff is bad when u fight an adventurer u should just go bury yourself deep inside a pile of steaming shit


pls explain clearly why the fuck would anything related to reflect damage be bad against an adv....you said something about mirage but i'm failing in understanding so pls care to explain...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:58 pm 
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valakas
sleep resist +40%,
HP +445,
decrease in re-use delay,
increase in P. Atk.,
damage shield effect
+resistance to fire
reflect 10%

frintenza
Reflect Damage: 10%,
Dark Resistance: +15%,
Sleep Resistance: +30%,
Bleed Resistance: +50%,
Shock Resistance: +30%,
Poison Resistance: +50%,
Paralysis Resistance: +30%,
Re-use Delay Decrease: 10%

if u have both, u are nolifer or play mid/high rate serv/or are clan leader or sb important in clan (so, still are nolifer :P)
keep in mind that this are old stats (decrease them by 1/2 and add oposite, for resistance add chance to "give" somebody debuf)

hard to say against what clases take what jevelery...
and tell me the fuck, for what you want reflect damage against dager... it reflect melle atack, not skills (show me dagger killing you and not using skills, maybe if his mana=0)

btw. reflect is veeeeery cool, if your enemy has it. Why? if you get augu, for example chance to heal/debuf/restore cp etc. when somebody hit you, you can easy activate it when you are melle, like tyrant, WL, tank, destro etc. just hitting him =)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:01 pm 
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Banana wrote:
valakas
sleep resist +40%,
HP +445,
decrease in re-use delay,
increase in P. Atk.,
damage shield effect
+resistance to fire
reflect 10%

frintenza
Reflect Damage: 10%,
Dark Resistance: +15%,
Sleep Resistance: +30%,
Bleed Resistance: +50%,
Shock Resistance: +30%,
Poison Resistance: +50%,
Paralysis Resistance: +30%,
Re-use Delay Decrease: 10%

if u have both, u are nolifer or play mid/high rate serv/or are clan leader or sb important in clan (so, still are nolifer :P)
keep in mind that this are old stats (decrease them by 1/2 and add oposite, for resistance add chance to "give" somebody debuf)

hard to say against what clases take what jevelery...
and tell me the fuck, for what you want reflect damage against dager... it reflect melle atack, not skills (show me dagger killing you and not using skills, maybe if his mana=0)

btw. reflect is veeeeery cool, if your enemy has it. Why? if you get augu, for example chance to heal/debuf/restore cp etc. when somebody hit you, you can easy activate it when you are melle, like tyrant, WL, tank, destro etc. just hitting him =)


take frint if you are a stunner or against other stunners and also if you are a skill spamming class like daggers/kamaels (re-use delay decreased)...also against necros cuz of dark resistance...take valakas against buffers/healers cuz of sleep resist and also against sorcs ofc...also if you know that your enemy has a fire attributed weapon you might consider using valakas...and finally if you are deal great melee damage like destros tyrants and maybe archers you can get valakas too cuz of p attack....but you won't have the stun shit like with frint tho....


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+1
finally somebody thinks here ;]


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:30 am 
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do u even know how mirage works? do u think it just randomly removes the target of people around you or something? god
everytime u deal damage to a person that has mirage active it has a chance that mirage will remove your target
so take this scenario:
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adventurer hits you for 100
you hit him for 5(reflect damage) (chance that mirage will trigger)
you hit him for 300(normal hit) (chance that mirage will trigger)
adventurer hits you for 100
you hit him for 5(reflect damage) (chance that mirage will trigger)
adventurer hits you for 100
you hit him for 5(reflect damage) (chance that mirage will trigger)
you hit him for 300(normal hit) (changce that mirage will trigger)

due to the adventurer high atk speed he will attack you several times (assuming hes not a retarded blow spammer) each of those u will return some damage to him and have mirage trigger
so you will be detargeted several times wich kind of makes it almost impossible to fight him
got it now?
as i said learn to fucking play



about the archmage thing it was only an example; what i said originaly is learn when to use each jewel because it might give u an advantage
u want another example?
frintezza gives you +60% stunning prob.
against classes with low con and assuming your stuns are enchanted(if they arent not even tezza is gonna save you and if you dont know why refer to the last line of the last explanation) your stunning chance will be close to 100% so if u use tezza u will have a stunning chance >100%
is that usefull? no
could you gain something from using valakas?
probably that +400hp can help u when popping revival


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kyaa wrote:
do u even know how mirage works? do u think it just randomly removes the target of people around you or something? god
everytime u deal damage to a person that has mirage active it has a chance that mirage will remove your target
so take this scenario:
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adventurer hits you for 100
you hit him for 5(reflect damage) (chance that mirage will trigger)
you hit him for 300(normal hit) (chance that mirage will trigger)
adventurer hits you for 100
you hit him for 5(reflect damage) (chance that mirage will trigger)
adventurer hits you for 100
you hit him for 5(reflect damage) (chance that mirage will trigger)
you hit him for 300(normal hit) (changce that mirage will trigger)

due to the adventurer high atk speed he will attack you several times (assuming hes not a retarded blow spammer) each of those u will return some damage to him and have mirage trigger
so you will be detargeted several times wich kind of makes it almost impossible to fight him


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i dont know noth abou Warlord but ...

Mirage doesnt win pvps... is that hard to get ur target back? no u have ur mouse, and maybe a macro .. big deal u loose the target once, what are the odds of loosing the target everytime u reflect dmg? also he is a warlord he can handle himself against the lowest dps dagger...


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if u fail at retargeting or u play in a sv where u get ur target canceled 101% than kk
also u might not know but the warlord has some skills that do not require target>.<
so while retargeting u may still use the skills

what u gona say now kyaa?obviously u have 0 exp with wl


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not a fanboy or anything but he kinda goty a point and u gotta admit it, about the refelct dmg triggering mirage crap. Ye ofc if ure good at targetting and u don't play on a server where is 101% is not much of a big deal but is still annoying and with reflect dmg u have 2x chance of gettinbg ur target cancelled BUT. Tezza gives you re-use delay and stun chance bonus no? also some protection to stun, hence will eb hard for him to bluff you and u will have a nice chance of chain-stun him and with re-use bonus from neck... even better so imo is worth to have it :] also the dagger will spam blows thats for sure xD or u think of taking down a warlord with only normal hits? :P he wll basically just hunt ur back and blow :P


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