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 Post subject: Do this and you won't have problems with mana.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:31 pm 
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myriell wrote:
great guide :)
i enjoyed it to read :)

so 1 more question
there is a 79+ sm and 79+ sd in da party :)
how can i keep up 4 dance / 4 song at the same time without downtime and without being recharged by es?
dagger party with 4 79+ dagger full buffed for exping
and we use warrior/fury/vamp and earth/warding/hunter
this 3-3 combo can be kept all the time
with recharger the 4-4 can be done also

i wanna use warrior/fury/vamp/fire and earth/warding/hunter/water without being recharged
or maybe 5-5 if its possible

i learned inner rythm and sm also
so what should i change to keep up 4 with him together?
overenchant skills for cost? wear +6 heavy tallum set?
we have clarity also
we dont need to do hex or anything else
only to do dances and songs and hit the mobs

anyone has any experience about that?
4-5 dance/song at the same time without downtime?

ty



Simple....
1) get a Wc... so you don't have to dance Vampire... -1 dance = extra mana.. an EE instead of a SE would also be good.. or a SE if he has the POW
2) if you're in a dagger party earth is kinda useless... water is enough for evasion... and again if you have a Wc in party he'll give chant for evasion... 1 less song = more mana.. i think you know about d/s/d/s??
3) You don't ahve to HEX or take agro... just let an AW hex... than use sand bomb on the group of mobs.. with zubei set he can last a lot more than a gladi or destro:))) belive me... i played on Dex such an AW... got 16 straight misses at lvl 72 in upstairs MOS

4) there is a way to give 6 dances and 6 songs at once and still have enough mana... learn the range of songs/dances.. keep the party in the middle and step on the opposite site of the sws... if he's out of the range of your dances you won't get his songs.. so you won't lose the mana.

PS... don't listen to ppl that say water is not needed.. in a dagger party you better maximize the one thing they are good at.. EVASION... better evade the hit than get hit on light armor.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:20 pm 
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myriell wrote:
great guide :)
i enjoyed it to read :)

so 1 more question
there is a 79+ sm and 79+ sd in da party :)
how can i keep up 4 dance / 4 song at the same time without downtime and without being recharged by es?
dagger party with 4 79+ dagger full buffed for exping
and we use warrior/fury/vamp and earth/warding/hunter
this 3-3 combo can be kept all the time
with recharger the 4-4 can be done also

i wanna use warrior/fury/vamp/fire and earth/warding/hunter/water without being recharged
or maybe 5-5 if its possible

i learned inner rythm and sm also
so what should i change to keep up 4 with him together?
overenchant skills for cost? wear +6 heavy tallum set?
we have clarity also
we dont need to do hex or anything else
only to do dances and songs and hit the mobs

anyone has any experience about that?
4-5 dance/song at the same time without downtime?

ty


u can keep up 4 dances and 5 songs without downtime only if you have clarity if not just use mental elixirs , and you must use them like this : s / s / d / d / s /d /s /s , not as you said d/d/d/d/s/s/s/s

mages party pvp :

renewal / meditation / conc / mystic / earth / siren / vitality /wind storm

for pve with mages , you dont have problem

fighters pvp : champion / fury / vitality / fire / hunter / warrior / earth / wind storm

and pve :champ/ warrior / hunter / fury/ earth /vamp / water /fire/meditation

imo u dont really need water or warding for pve , but you wanted them xD


a good dancer/singer always enchants the dances/songs to cost at least +6 , dont go for +time cos u need to dance/sing in the same time to keep them up constantly , only swm needs to enchant vitality song at +time so u wont lose the HP bonus


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:40 pm 
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Afaik, the d/s should go s/d/s/d/s/d/s/d/s.
My area of expertise really isn't dancing and singing... But I remember giving 4 dances one after the other and I didn't have any mana problems.

About this, I have a question. If you do s/d/s/d/s/d etc etc the mana consumption should greatly decrease right?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:49 pm 
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The more dances and/or songs u have on yourself as buffs, the more mana it will consume to dance another.

In C4 and C5 the growth of mana cost was exponential, but since IL, every dance/song is 30MP points more expensive than the previous one.

So the base dance mana cost is
x,
then the 2nd is x+30
the 3rd is x + 30+30
and so on...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:20 pm 
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and if u dance without a break(continuesly or whatever it was written in the description) u will end up spendin` 300 mana per dance


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