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 Post subject: Trick, Switch and Bluff
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:36 pm 
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Hello, my server just turn out Gracia Final and the land rate of trick, switch and bluff sux a lot. First of all bluff isnt taking off target anymore and trick/switch on self targets (lvl 78~80) has a probability of about 30% of landing.

Is this correct or is just a bug? I think bluff is bugged, but what about trick and switch? Is it supose to be so low the land rate?

Do any one knows wich attribute modifies the land rate of those skills? (I think MEN increases resist, but wich ones increase the land rate?)

Thx in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: Trick, Switch and Bluff
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:54 pm 
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Nhaka wrote:
Is this correct or is just a bug? I think bluff is bugged, but what about trick and switch? Is it supose to be so low the land rate?


bluff has 3 debuffs actually, each of them has a X% chance to land
remove target
stun target
turn around
i wouldnt say its bugged bcoz u need to OE it first
trick/switch has a low land rate on high lvl characters
same goes for all the <76 debuffs like gloom or silence but unfortunately u can not enchant trick/switch

Nhaka wrote:
Do any one knows wich attribute modifies the land rate of those skills? (I think MEN increases resist, but wich ones increase the land rate?)


yes, mental shield or various epics can increase the resistance against switch trick mirage shadow step(detarget) etc but u cant increase the land rate

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:07 pm 
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bluff +15 has the same chance as bluff +0
on most of private server its that way...
i tested bluff +0 /+10/+14/+15
best land rate had bluff +14

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:32 pm 
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bullshit

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:40 pm 
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....dude... i log on random servers and test it and its almost always the same..

trust me or not... dun care

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:45 pm 
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welcome to the world of l2java

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 Post subject: Re: Trick, Switch and Bluff
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:16 pm 
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Well it isnt suppose to be L2j because my server use the same files as DEX. Well then, trick and switch are almost useless now? Only 30% of land rate on 78~80 characters is correct?

That's lame =/


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:33 am 
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Nhaka wrote:
Well it isnt suppose to be L2j because my server use the same files as DEX. Well then, trick and switch are almost useless now? Only 30% of land rate on 78~80 characters is correct?

That's lame =/


yeh its pretty lame
and dex doesnt have great files

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:46 pm 
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kisi wrote:
bluff +15 has the same chance as bluff +0
on most of private server its that way...
i tested bluff +0 /+10/+14/+15
best land rate had bluff +14

Im amazed by bullshit in this post ;d
Or it doesnt give anything so land rate would be the same
or it gives smth so the best is +15
Simple as... idk what

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 Post subject: Re: Trick, Switch and Bluff
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:14 am 
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7r0yan wrote:
kisi wrote:
bluff +15 has the same chance as bluff +0
on most of private server its that way...
i tested bluff +0 /+10/+14/+15
best land rate had bluff +14

Im amazed by bullshit in this post ;d
Or it doesnt give anything so land rate would be the same
or it gives smth so the best is +15
Simple as... idk what


nigga ive tested half of the "popular" servers (dunno popular by retardness or wut..) and everywhere i get my bluff +15 lands even more rarely than bluff+0...
imo will be useless to count em all
only sv where bluff worked fine was inferno

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:22 am 
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kisi wrote:
7r0yan wrote:
kisi wrote:
bluff +15 has the same chance as bluff +0
on most of private server its that way...
i tested bluff +0 /+10/+14/+15
best land rate had bluff +14

Im amazed by bullshit in this post ;d
Or it doesnt give anything so land rate would be the same
or it gives smth so the best is +15
Simple as... idk what


nigga ive tested half of the "popular" servers (dunno popular by retardness or wut..) and everywhere i get my bluff +15 lands even more rarely than bluff+0...
imo will be useless to count em all
only sv where bluff worked fine was inferno

go test it on russian serbars, there r few which use official files and u will see the difference


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:29 am 
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i expect ..actually i know whats gona be the diff
a friend of mine had a acc on teon with pw in it and i know whats going on and hows it going on so...no need to go to ruoff..

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:53 am 
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Its kinda strange that one enchant from 14 to 15 fucks up its landrate ;]
l2j pwns in daggers' case

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 Post subject: Re: Trick, Switch and Bluff
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:01 pm 
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Trick/Switch is NOT affected by lvl , when u learn the max lvl of Trick/switch it has 70% to land .Its affected only by mental resist . (even on 1 lvl char trick/switch has 70% chance)

Switch has 2 effects

70% to remove target
15% to change target to someone from your party(also NOT affected by lvl)


Bluff Has

30% to turn enemy (0 mental resist)
33% to stun (0 stun resist)
70% to Remove target (0 mental resist)

Bluff is affected by lvl but with no big difference (like 0.35% per lvl ) but its still chance :))

and like mvp says the difference between +14 to +15 is so small (0.25%) on every other enchant lvl u get 0.85%


Shadow Step has 70% to remove target same like trick/switch affected by mental resist (the chance to get teleported at back of the enemy is 100% and its not affected by nothing )

Evasion Counter has 8% to stun enemy (for 1 up to 8 seconds) when you dodge attack (affected by stun resist)

Evasion Haste has 12% to increase atk speed when you dodge attack

Evasion Chance has 10% to increase blow rate when you dodge attack

Counterattack reflect 50% of DMG at 100% rate (on epilogue/freya)

Mirage has 30% to remove target under attack (affected my mental again )

we talkin bout epilogue/freya and not loljava srvs ofc :!: :D


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:10 pm 
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ben2dagzzle wrote:
Trick/Switch is NOT affected by lvl , when u learn the max lvl of Trick/switch it has 70% to land .Its affected only by mental resist . (even on 1 lvl char trick/switch has 70% chance)


You get max lvl @ 74 so it wont land that much on 81-85 chars
You can check some of squeez's oly videos .. he's not using trick/switch at all :)

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