So i made this account just to point something most ppl dont understand.Before talking Plz use ur brains and think both side of a PvP.

I keep listening about how that hero and this hero can kill an SH(sh is the hero i use).Althought i lack on expierience i tend to play at a net cafe with lotsa friends who play l2 and so i had a round point of view about skills/chars before i even came back.

Ok first of all.Destroyers are the Ultimate fucking worms a soulhound can EZ MODE KILL.Destroyers prolly can produce the higher output of dmg in the game BUT they have to actually hit u...A good played SH especially female(+warp)can avoid being hit even for once.You got extra speed with hard,hard march UE if it comes in handy and 2 teleport skills(even with a haste potion-which you can still along with his buffs-he cant reach you) .Also destroyer base his huge dmg on his self buffs and especially frenzy.A good timed Sh will just steal his buffs and melt his face even in close range.

As for Doombringer its 50/50,cause you can still his buffs to.Ppl use ur brains,daily i got friends telling:oh man if i open this ur gone-Me:who the hell cares i can steal it.It's mere pointless to buff urself(overbuffing can be punished with curse of divinity)against an SH.I even stole a UD chance skill from a subclassed adventurer.Only way to kill an SH is silence and nukes or a lethal blow or with a Doombringer.

No titans cant kill u,no duelist cant kill u either(at 68 lvl with b armor/wepon and c common jewels i killed twice a gladiator by interrupting his skills/target with SoP while he was 79 with high grade A armor/weapon and A jewels).A dagger class cant kill SH nor DB either,from SH he has his buffs stolen(i 2 shoted an 79 lvl ghost hunter while i was 70 due to his lovely crit oriented buffs).Mages have only the chance to silence u(an SH has also silence though...)

In general Only char that can kill an SH is a DB and vice versa.Oh and btw some said kamaels suck at TvT and large scale combat.Mmmm DB can mass stun/disarm and open his UD's to survive(not to mention body reconstruction fills up his hp)and 1-2 shot weaker hp classes while SH can nuke ,aoe slow,steal buffs,or just distruct ppl while having painkiller on(imagine the front line of ppl focusing on u while u take 0 dmg and blink away,great distruction).Another thing is leopold for aoe dmg.

Also if someone check the trickster,judicator(or the other subclass cant recall) skills,can see that a kamael exlusive team or just 1 of eatch class in ur party can outrun any party(lots mdef,pdef party skills,also a +4 rapier has uber chance to stregthen matk,patk and mana cost of the whole party in a crit)

In general guys Kamaels are difficult race to play but O'ped,read their skills before you talk and mostly think.


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Fuck? and... Fuck? and what about summoners? ;p

I dunno how but I find that quote hilarious

btw i meant char* when i said "hero".

You can root his pet i think,not to mention you can easily go away from it with blink+warp.Things that can't kill you ,can't catch u either.As for DM ,the summoner will mostly die in seconds plus u can open ud for the pet hitting you.

Kamaels sure are good but it also takes a very good player to use their full potential and most are not THAT good. I've rarely seen really good SHs who know what they're doing and have lightning fast reactions.

And you forget one big weakness of the SH - stun. One wrong step and if a stun lands on you you're toast. And it does land fairly easy on SHs...

Also, Doombringers don't need buffs to kill you. They'll just Rush Impact/Disarm you to your death, with a bit of luck.

And I haven't seen you mentioned daggers at all, lol... they'll pwn you hard if they know what they're doing.

So yeah - Kamaels are good, but not only it takes a lot of skill to play them right but they have some big weaknesses that can be exploit by certain classes.

And then there are talismans which change the whole picture... lol

BTW mass open PvP? They get nuked to death, gg.

i never said SH is ez to play.Daggers???ROFLMAO.As i mentioned i had Zubei's(got dc yesterday) and b weapon(military fleuret) with no worthy augment and no 3rd class,at 75 lvl.dagger u can ask my ex-clanleader or clanmember about SH vs Daggers.They both have 79 lvl ghost hunter with angel slayer and majestic.i did 3 pvp with eatch.The pvp that they didnt manage to bluff meant they got one or two shoted.Stealing 79 lvl buffs which are critical oriented=nearly impossible not to crit(especially with focus weapon and furius soul open)=critical hit on shining edge or checkmate=2ez.

Did i mention u can blink,then nuke and run cause SH is faster?DId i mention that if the dagger is adventurer u can just steal his dash to.There's not a single dagger that i havent won 1/3 pvps the least.So answer me if ur a dagger lose 1/3 from a -4 lvl Sh with no 3rd class and 2 grades minus weapon and one grade less armor,what will u do when he gets majestic to,3rdd class and be 79 lvl to?Ill answer u,2shoted or just nuked till u die.

Btw u can just open painkiller when they do the usual shadowstep-bluff-backstab combo,blink away and nuke them.Not to mention if they get rooted they will die.AS far as i know daggers die from nukes and all kinds of things that make them not being able to attack.AN sh has nukes,fear/root/silence/slow and blows with equal power to backstab(shining edge,checkmate),plus they also got 2 teleportion skills.

To sum up with daggers=2nd ez after titans.GO on wishing u get a lethal strike(AND ALSO WISH SH DOESNT OPEN PAINKILLER).Daggers arent pvp chars they are the best killers when u cant hit them and they sneak u up.

when u got more hp and sp,u can nuke back the nukers(btw if we talk about high end levels aka 83 u can mass paralyze a party with lighting shock ).

Yeah they can get stunned.Oh i forgot majestic=bigger chance to avoid it.Yeah u will use a talisman and he wont cause life is always as u dream it...With a little luck he will stun u and with LESS of that lil luck he will get paralyzed by lightning barrier

I didn't realize you were talking about S-Grade PvP (76-79 range) and yeah what you say is about right, but once you go into end game equipment and skills, things change a lot. Hide, dual daggers, more skill evasion, better mdef and attribute resistances and what not. And then especially with a human dagger opponent you'd be left without target all the time, actually even in the level range you're speaking of - Switch, Trick, Mirage and Light Armor PvP Mirage. Pure pwnage...

It would ultimately depend on the player's speed and equipment, but with equally equipped and skills players you'll have hard time keeping your target on the dagger, steal their buffs, cancel their own target and then debuff and deal enough damage to them fast. Your best chance is paralyze and then rely on nukes, but if you miss on that you're 99% done for.

Blink won't save you because the daggers have Shadow Step + high run speed skills, much better than what your March can offer. You low lv UD won't make much of a difference to their high dmg output skills. In close range you stand no chance to land most of your hits because of their skill evasion and an experienced dagger player would never let you escape to a distance to do your magic. Plus there are too many talismans to protect against most of SH's main skills which make them much less effective. Not to mention everyone knows the attack attribute of SHs (and kamaels in general) which makes it much to easy to get full resistance against them.

As for mass para, it doesn't land that often and even if it does, it lasts for too short to really make much of a difference. SH is much better in Oly/1 on 1 matches where it can control the opponent without being distracted by others, but in open PvP their main role is mostly to just steal buffs and avoid getting killed, lol. In comparison (high level) daggers can easily control opponents in any situation and require multiple chars to focus and deal with them. Hide can be a * with enough skill reuse reducing buffs and items...

Majestic might work at lower levels, but If you use it just to avoid bluff's stun you'd be ripped to shreds from the lack of attribute resistance if you allow even a single attack to get to you...

I'm not saying daggers have much of an advantage, but they have enough to just come on top. Keep in mind they're also 10x easier to play because they're so straightforward, so for each skilled SH you'll find about 10 skilled dagger players.

Being Adventurer as good as Gustavs or Squeez is an art..

By this post all ur imba knowledge has died in my eyes. you wont that easy root summon, even if servitor blessing in 1 sec can remove it, not to mention smart cube, oed transfer pain makes u deal less than 40% dmg to summoner, with little luck if excessive loyalty triggers summon has 8k p atk and 11.5k m atk, so u will be prolly dead in few hits if you would make mistake when running, if u wont you still gets nuke that has 250 power from horse with ~12k m atk

Btw: use ur brain first, you seem to think that everyone you meet will just run and dont do anything

To long did not read D:

EH if we're talking about necro,if u checkmate the summoner and crits(which is really rare not to crit,cause against mage class furious soul is always used due to only reducing pdef not mdef)u will deal 3k-5k dmg).And that with ur first blow,then u will have shining edge waiting.Also necro's pet got high patk but its not difficult to die.
Anyways all things good but as i said how u will kill an SH with 190speed(hard march on)+UE+blink+warp with a summon?
Why u guys keep saying :if u make a mistake.i already said SH needs to be played well so he pwns.Not to mention if the SH is noob the opponent can be noob to and when losing target from SoP(also cancels target often)he maybe take time to realise.

Oh and btw nice theory but as i said i already won a DA who had A armor ,A weapon and was 79 lvl while i had my b gear ,no 3rd etc.Only summoners which are more difficult to beat are necros,but if u run away+blink ull have enought time to use soul cleanse for their debuffs.

To sum up with,SH is a char with blows equal to a dagger and nukes equal to a nuker.He has debuffs like most mages+a "spell" to cancel debuffs.Furthermore SH female is the fastest runner in the game with unique teleportation skills.Low Con and Wit are its only disadvantages but at high end lvls u have alot of adena/recipes to afford/craft an AM and a Rappier health so u cover its disadvantages.The char has many ways to play it and extreme potential.You just need patience and farm which eventually pays out.after 68 lvl u start to be tough opponent and after 3rd class ur transformed into a killing machine.

It's simple,if you know how to use a well geared /lvled SH only thing that MAYBE stop u is a Doombringer.Get over it.

Sry for necroposting but i got to post this...

Kamaels sux d1ck!

Srysly they fuckd up the game with lolkamaels with lolskills and lolwing.... Prefer play real classes sorry pro

It's like telling new armors sux cause I don't no-life @ retail lol.