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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:29 pm 
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What do you think about a lvl 80 Cardinal in pvp(in olympiad)?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:45 pm 
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Powerful, as long as he doesn't meet a wc or ol. What can i say, he has mana burn and trance, but you need to get in range first, and some classes have real resistance against such things. Wc/ol are two of them. Then is the destro that if careful he will activate frenzy (doesn't cost too much mana). Not to mention that the destro won't be put to sleep (war frenzy + lionheart) and it may become a waste of mana for the cardinal himself. But it's difficult.

This class is a born dagger killer. Though, you can beat it if you have some luck with trance. Sure, with epics and nm set it's harder, but it just needs to land, and it's not impossible, it's just improbable.

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dude...i think a cardinal can easly beat an OL or WC in oly...a drain=100+ mana+some mana burns and he's done. Block wind walk+block shield...and kitting with a bow. If the OL or WC will equip a bow too...he will not have enough mana to hit continuosly especially with a draconic bow.
a Cardinal can rulle almoust everything ;) because he can remain all the time at full hp(if he has mana)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:00 pm 
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aditzu wrote:
dude...i think a cardinal can easly beat an OL or WC in oly...a drain=100+ mana+some mana burns and he's done. Block wind walk+block shield...and kitting with a bow. If the OL or WC will equip a bow too...he will not have enough mana to hit continuosly especially with a draconic bow.
a Cardinal can rulle almoust everything ;) because he can remain all the time at full hp(if he has mana)


O yeah he will pwn easy coved dominator/doomcryer in IC set with his imba self-buffs and robe ^^

O btw gl fighting with duelist too.


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aditzu wrote:
dude...i think a cardinal can easly beat an OL or WC in oly...a drain=100+ mana+some mana burns and he's done. Block wind walk+block shield...and kitting with a bow. If the OL or WC will equip a bow too...he will not have enough mana to hit continuosly especially with a draconic bow.
a Cardinal can rulle almoust everything ;) because he can remain all the time at full hp(if he has mana)


lol man how can a bish pwn OL OR WC?!!?!?The Wc has higher cast range of sleep than the bishop lol!!!The ol and wc have theyr own buffs and they have highest men!!!(45 men lol)The mana burn will burn over 300 mp maybe but the wc/ol can sleep em easy...The dreaming spirit has same cast as trance and it has bigger range as i said.At oly bish cant do nothing...He will eat a stun and will die... No chance to beat WC or even OL.The orc has - nukes,stuns,debuffs,resist to debuff attax(CoS)So the bish will die at oly against wc or ol.


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Easily beat an ol? You've gotta be kidding me. You think you will sleep him? You think you will mana burn him for long? You think you are immune to seals?

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Only if u are lucky enough to land a trance, u have a chance to burn its all mana, but after the guy awaken, u are almost totally dead, if he got some more mana :P


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By the time you trance and drain his mana, your own mana may be almost depleted. Trance lands very hard, so if we take an average, it's like that.

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Icarus wrote:
By the time you trance and drain his mana, your own mana may be almost depleted. Trance lands very hard, so if we take an average, it's like that.


Ok lets see.

Trance base land rate - 80%

Now OL/DC is in IC set that gives 70% resist + mental 4 from staff is next 80% + passiv Toughness + 20%

So it is ([80-70%]-80%)-20%=([80-56]-80%)-20%=([80-56]-19,2)-20%=([80-56]-19,2)-3,84=
0.96

+highest MEN and with TTS jew set +4 with self buff m def is 1320 m def

GL in landing sleep on him


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Powah wrote:
([80-70%]-80%)-20%=([80-56]-80%)-20%=([80-56]-19,2)-20%=([80-56]-19,2)-3,84=0.96


imo it should be like this

0,8 --> base land rate (trance)
0,8-0,8*0,7=0,24 -->land rate after calculating ic set resist
0,24-0,24*0,8=0,048 -->land rate after calculating mental 4 resist + ic set
0,048-0,048*02=0,0384 -->land rate after mental 4 + ic set + toughness

so your calculations are good but there is one little mistake

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([80-70%]-80%)-20%=([80-56]-80%)-20%=([80-56]-19,2)-20%=([80-56]-19,2)-0.96=3.84


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Yeah maybe i did some mistakes - i dont rly like maths :P

Anyway there is less than 1% of chance to land sleep. Imo it's waste of mp for bish.


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LoL. Bishop is dead meat xD


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magical backfire multiply MP usage by 3.5x, cast it first in oly, very good land rate even on WC/OL
for the rest, u have to get augment nuke like i have and a good bow/
Take a bow with slow atk speed other than very slow because you have a penality using bow as mage.
50% chance to win against OL/WC
drain cost them 350MP or more with magical backfire, same for debuff
buff are up to 600MP
their heal suxx too and cost much more mp and they are slow
mass blockWW/mass block shield and , stupid but efficient, use ice bolt, the running speed debuff land even on a lvl 80 on offie but land rate is aroud 1/6

bishop can wear light armor too, maj light is a good deal but it will penalize your casting speed

enchant trance for cost, mana burn for power and magical backfire for mp regen debuff.


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magical backfire multiply MP usage by 3.5x, cast it first in oly, very good land rate even on WC/OL
for the rest, u have to get augment nuke like i have and a good bow/
Take a bow with slow atk speed other than very slow because you have a penality using bow as mage.
50% chance to win against OL/WC
drain cost them 350MP or more with magical backfire, same for debuff
buff are up to 600MP
their heal suxx too and cost much more mp and they are slow
mass blockWW/mass block shield and , stupid but efficient, use ice bolt, the running speed debuff land even on a lvl 80 on offie but land rate is aroud 1/6

bishop can wear light armor too, maj light is a good deal but it will penalize your casting speed


enchant trance for cost, mana burn for power and magical backfire for mp regen debuff.


i see you know to play the cardinal well ;) gg
Now you guys tell me how a cardinal can beat a titan :)

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imo same shi7 worx-->slow him down,take off his pdef buffs and never go close to him:D


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