shackle is physical.

I think my mind was somewhere else. Indeed shackle is physical.

imo DA is better....i played more than 30 times with an SK in Olympiads and in buffed pvp and i won him all times...we had the same gear.

Well, honestly, I'm not sure it's Physical, either. Even when you're buffed with Haste/PoF|CoV/Fury, the cast time is still the same, so maybe it's nothing? :S

One thing's sure. It's physical. It lands on mages more often. Though i can't get it why it's not affected by buffs.

o.O?? How does it being physical have to do with it landing more on mages? Last I checked, unless I'm behind, con doesn't affect anything except bleed or poison, not sure which one. I dunno.

As I think about it, though, I've noticed it does land on mages more.. At least on my old private server, it did. I haven't really thought about it much on retail, though.

aaah crap. try stunning an aw with maj light set! i bet it won't work to often. (a smart aw would use con+4). i dont think a DA can beat a sk. maybe on a shitty server. ever played on dex with a high lvl da/sk? even on c4, the sk kicks ass. i think only gladiator can kill sk from all the fighters...

It's got something to do with pdef. Try it with the enemies armor on and off, but i can't promise anything, my knowledge isn't that far. BUT it really lands on mages very well. Maybe it's the passives...?

well, if a DA beats a SK than the player contoling the SK is stupid as hell . I've fought a DA 10 lvl higher than me and won. He actualy was a Hell Kinght . i had tallum he had DLE, i had DC (not all the set) he had NM (all the set i think)...

so, if a DA beats a SK than the player contoling the SK is stupid as hell

On Dex? Why does everyone think that's such a big deal..

in C6/CT1 a DA with +++++ Con will rape the shit out of a Gladiator if the gladiator doesn't know wtf he's doing. Shield of Revenge ftw.

Also Vlad -- Killing an AFK hell knight doesn't count. Killing a hell knight doesn't count. As much as I do know an SK can own properly played, a Hell Knight ten levels above with full A-grade and you partial A-grade, would rape the fucking shit out of you. and, yes, I'm pig-headed enough to say that.

And I dunno Icarus. I'll log on my old private server later today and try it.


EDIT: Also, of course the SK was powerful in C4. in C4, the SK was much more powerful than C5/Interlude

well i've killed him... in coloseum a lvl 77 hell knight (i was 67), and in astentics a lvl 75 DA (i was 64). i mean if u know how to play your skills and u study the other chars, u can easily kill your enemy, no mather how tought he is.

so how to kill a DA with a SK:
0. use the skill that adds u def points but constantly consumes mana (u shall have mana left when u finish), and use hex and power break on him (if u fight in an arena)
1. hit the panther until u lose 1/4 from your hp, and then ultimate def. [now i think less than 10% DAs have the retreat comand of the panther in the skill bar so it is a hard moment for them, and it takes time to regroup and retreat the panther]. if he retreates hit the parther with all the spell u can, and it is good as dead (BTW try to paralize the pet, but if u can't it doesnt matters)
2. if the panther is gone the DA is useless and u can kill him easy (just hit him with all u got)
note: if he tries to summon the pather the second time try to cancel his casting, so hit him like a psyho (i play c4 but ive heard of some canceling the spell the evemy is casting spells or something) and there is about 60% chances to cancel his spell even if he is in ultimate def mode or something. if he summons the pet do the same thing as before but use vangence (if u are ST) or do something to kill the panther BUT NEVER TRY TO RUN FROM IT CAUSE IT IS FASTER THAN U AND ITS ATK SPEED IS LOWER so start playing the tank and pray that it'll get paralized.

i didn't say it's easy

then the ''hk'' was either stupid as hell or some1 is lying.....

btw if u do ud and kill the pet
why dont the tank go back and summon another ?you cant move
speculations is not even close to facts and i believe whatever you say is speculations....
i would only say from icarus & dark passion points that they know what they are saying.they are both convincing in their points...sorry you arent

personally i am playing da (and a little hk) for about 2years,i'd say he beats an sk and have made my points about it earlier from personal experience only. (never pvp'd with one with maj. tho!)
anyway,i am off that topic,dark passion & icarus defend well their possitions


Ps. i just killed a glady in c5 server. me 55lvl and him 65 (i got 2stuns no hold no slow but judgment worked pretty well )
glady:bw heavy dual sls (dyes:no)
me:doom heavy & aoba (dyes:no)
he didnt play THAT well and i was left with 500hp but i am just pointing out
that we did have a huge difference on lvls & both top equip.
glady<tank in all chronicles and thats a fact (i have personal experience from c3 c4 c5 ones and countless pvp's with em)

Before third class, a human tank has a fairly good chance of defeating a Gladiator, especially with +++con setup, because of mana issues the gladiator will have.

now that skills crit fairly often, there's no chance of that. and definitely after 3rd class. even with shield slam, it doesn't last long enough. Don't forget a lvl 78 Gladiator with SG duals +4, has about 7k CP on self buffs. and 10k HP with just BTB6.

Its up to a personal taste guys! i would go for SK he is fast and combines tank+mage skills i know many people who went DA and got bored but only 2 who rerolled a SK thats a fact

sk owns everytime anyway.get ic + forgotten focus,learn some pvp and da doesn't stand a chance.it's a fact