honestly if its interlude yeah haste>cd IF its ch buffs if its full bff you will prolly have such a reuse tat you can practicly spam trick/switch/bluff and blows so haste kinda loses its value while cd is always welcomed

In my humble opinion: CD is better in overall pvp. Your main targets are wearing robes and light armor, so the +p.atk can be significant. Your CD works better against low p.def. With 3-4 blows you'll almost get an extra stab in damage. And no robe ment to worth more than that.
And the main reason: in open field mass pvp as a dagger, you wait for the chaos to form, then get in to the fray doing hit-and-run attacks. if you cannot finish your opponent fast, you might not get the chance to leave the field. So you target, do a few blows, maybe some skills, then move on to the next target or retreat. With all this running the bonus skill reuse is lost. If the opponent is fool enough to retreat in the middle of the fight then you can only hit when you catch up with him/her (then it's better to hit hard) so the haste bonus is't worth much.

Maybe haste can get useful when it's 1on1 against tanks. But thats not a common situation.

well , i play with th too , sometimes i play with aw, but , learning * :)


btw, i dun know if i can use Zerk or no , some ppls say for dun use, but , idk if its good ,or no
and , im playing with - 9 con dyes, good lethals , but idk what dyes i could use ,

plz help me ² :D

well as a th and aw in pvp dont go for zerk the extra attack speed wont influence the skill reuse so much not to mention you cut out pdef and mdef which is a no xD

And evasion.

i left out evasion because you will prolly pvp mages ( mdef _) and gladi/tyrant/destro/archers/kamaels/etc. which will mostly use skills ( pdef )
also as a dagger you have UE

What about hellbound/kamael i roll a TH allmost a grade, is it ok if i enchant c top dagger to +7 and put sa on it, or is it bad cuz x3 soulshot consumption? A grade weps are cheap but sa 10x more expensive than wep itself (crystall 800kk, bo 80kk). Is it smarter for me to pick mj set to have more weight or stick to dc? What dyes. Plz help.

fuk c grade
soul sep with cd sa is way better than dark screamer or crystal dagger
imo u should get a SS+CD
mj or nm armor and look forward for a draco bow
4% patk and atk spd for me is nothin honestly
the daggerist is maybe the deadliest char!so u gotta think of pvping too
mj is a good set but nm would work just great too:)

imo no dyes but u could use +wit and +str for farming and pvp=+5con-5str

OMG didnt u read how much does the sa cost?
I can but a dagger without sa to save money and buy a nm, or mj. But a dagger + sa + mj+ draco +sa= 4kkk. Nice.
Sorry, but i think ur opinion wasnt the best answer for my question.
But still ty.
Looking forward to hear some other dagger pros.

if your server is l2dex then weapon with SA already is cheaper then making SA on a weapon ( donno why lol )

l2.elixir really good server! And sa + wep is about 800kk. :/
The question is: Is the sa so important on the weapon. If not then i better choose top a without sa and have 14k of ssa with me to faaaaarm

Sorry for double post, but how strong will be crystall dagger +7 (i can add sa crit dmg) . How much p atk. Is there any page or progam how i can see how much p atk enchanted wep will have?

ye u can see

EWD
patk all weps except bows increase by +2
bows i.b. +4
matk of all weps i.b. +2

EWC & EWB
1handed +3
2handed (fist, duals, 2h sword) +4
bows +6
matk +3

EWA
1handed +4
2handed +5
bows +8
matk +3

EWS
1handed +5
2handed +6
bows +10
matk +4
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from +3 all of these bonuses will double for all weapon types

u can simply count it .. i.e. ur cd has basic patk 136 (pmfun.com > search)
EWC till +3 gives +3 patk = +3*3 = +9
from +4 gives +3*2 patk = to +7 its +4*6 = +24
so ur cd+7 has 136+33 = 169 patk

as u can see, nothing difficult xD

look man i told ya what is the best
get a clan and start leveling a crystal--->cheap
raid bosses
spoil mats and recipes and craft the fuking dagger
c grade dagger sux dicks at 60+
ur question wasnt how much that setup costs on ur server(different servers=different prices)

i leveled my dagger with a PL set till ~65

l2wh.com is also cool.