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MY level of experience is low? If my level of exp is low, that means you started l2 two hours ago. I've been playing this game for 3 years and a few months now, sit down in your bench, you didn't even set foot on retail to know what you're talking about.
And frankly I don't like the looks of the dark elves. Actually the males are very awkward and it's one of the reasons I sometimes play females.

Mirage vs counterattack? Mirage wins in mass since they can't retarget easily. Counterattack makes you siucide in single pvp, especially vs other daggers. Do you know how nice it is to get a few blows reflected? Remember, the reflect rate is rumored to be higher than 33% now, it's pretty high.

Pvp on x12039124kk servers? Why, because the formulas are fucked and everything is on HE's, TH's and necro's favour? Come to teon, maybe I can find a GS, you grab a HE and we'll play in pp or self buffs.

Whomever said MA on sh is only for raiding should mind his own business. DC is a dps set, MA is an overall set mentaining dps through matk instead of casting speed like dc does.

When will the mage have the time to run? He'll be dead in two hits. You think that deadeye makes the pr hit once in 5 seconds?

HERE, time to teach kids about the deadeye:
P.Atk. +199, Accuracy +3, Atk. Spd. -20%, Critical Damage +20%
-20% atk speed. Let's see, that means that a full buffed PR will have like 770 atk speed, while in deadeye he'll have 640. Now to me, 640 doesn't seem bad at all with the shitload of crt damage since in endgame +20% is enormous, almost as good as a second death whisper.

Dude you have no idea what we're talking about here. This topic clearly overruns you, so it's time you left. If you think that atk speed is everything in mass pvp you're a complete tard. What matters is converging attacks with another one or two archers and kill as many as possible. And with PRs due to their enormous patk and critical damage, killing in one second isn't a problem.

You're telling me to admit the truth, but you're actually holding something you have no idea of. Just like I bet you would say right now that you know more about daggers than I do. Go.
i wont say that u know better dagger from me or i know better dagger from you simpliy coz i havent seen you on action....
PR sux if you are TOOO noob to get it alt+QQ from l2 nobody makes PR if you see every pro player is HE (even dvp the best archer on teon was HE)
MA FOR PVP ON SPH??????? just tell me(BUT I WANT THE TRUTH) except from seeing others and imagining...have you EVER EVER played sh on MA? if yes and you liked it more than dc...ok
in mass pvp th>aw in HB dont fucking say no....in 1v1 also th>AW why? not coz of counterattack but COZ OF switch&trick +mirrage
really m8 im playing on elixir X7 server im 77lvl i need to hit baium to sub... take a PR there and come 1v1...i would be very very very happy to see you on the ground saying gf


and about what you say all classes are good..NO some classes are simply better than others just get it if not dont play online games...OVERPOWER exist in lineage in wow in cabal in almost every online game

BAHAHA THAT WAS THE REASON! Dvp is a very weak dagger and archer, his targetting sucks, everything that made him was his e-bayed equipment.

Just because on FURY the th is imbalanced that doesn't mean that's proper hellbound.
There's no overpower. That's why the destro smashes the dagger against the floor, but the nuker can kill the destro quite easily. That's balancement. Ever wondered why the sorc is weaker in pvp than other nukers? Because he has good aoe skills perfect for farming. The dagger now isn't the greatest choice for pvp, that's the tyrant. But the dagger once loose in the crowd can decimate in seconds, ask ruud what I did on golkonda a week ago. I avoided the main assist, landed 14 kills and survived. That wasn't pure skill, that was also luck because I didn't get targetted. This game isn't only about skill.

Dude you fail more than ever what's gotten into you? :)

Trick + switch + mirage. Mirage only takes away target AFTER you attack, so you won't get any skill interrupted. That's 1.
To cancel a dagger skill with trick and switch you need a great portion of luck since the daggers' attack speed is tremendous. Th is suited for longer pvps, like vs glads for example. His resistance is slightly higher, he can cancel targets easier, but he lacks proper dps in frontal combat. The gh is suited for 'kill in 2 seconds' pvps. From facing the target and having sustainable dps to getting on the target's back and killing it in two hits. That includes killing a th with max two sets of skills if he loses his focus. You just can't get it do you? The gh's dps is simply the highest ingame if he's not a handicap and can land hex + critical wound on you. Wake up!

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MY level of experience is low? If my level of exp is low, that means you started l2 two hours ago. I've been playing this game for 3 years and a few months now, sit down in your bench, you didn't even set foot on retail to know what you're talking about.
And frankly I don't like the looks of the dark elves. Actually the males are very awkward and it's one of the reasons I sometimes play females.

Mirage vs counterattack? Mirage wins in mass since they can't retarget easily. Counterattack makes you siucide in single pvp, especially vs other daggers. Do you know how nice it is to get a few blows reflected? Remember, the reflect rate is rumored to be higher than 33% now, it's pretty high.

Pvp on x12039124kk servers? Why, because the formulas are fucked and everything is on HE's, TH's and necro's favour? Come to teon, maybe I can find a GS, you grab a HE and we'll play in pp or self buffs.

Whomever said MA on sh is only for raiding should mind his own business. DC is a dps set, MA is an overall set mentaining dps through matk instead of casting speed like dc does.

When will the mage have the time to run? He'll be dead in two hits. You think that deadeye makes the pr hit once in 5 seconds?

HERE, time to teach kids about the deadeye:
P.Atk. +199, Accuracy +3, Atk. Spd. -20%, Critical Damage +20%
-20% atk speed. Let's see, that means that a full buffed PR will have like 770 atk speed, while in deadeye he'll have 640. Now to me, 640 doesn't seem bad at all with the shitload of crt damage since in endgame +20% is enormous, almost as good as a second death whisper.

Dude you have no idea what we're talking about here. This topic clearly overruns you, so it's time you left. If you think that atk speed is everything in mass pvp you're a complete tard. What matters is converging attacks with another one or two archers and kill as many as possible. And with PRs due to their enormous patk and critical damage, killing in one second isn't a problem.

You're telling me to admit the truth, but you're actually holding something you have no idea of. Just like I bet you would say right now that you know more about daggers than I do. Go.
i wont say that u know better dagger from me or i know better dagger from you simpliy coz i havent seen you on action....
PR sux if you are TOOO noob to get it alt+QQ from l2 nobody makes PR if you see every pro player is HE (even dvp the best archer on teon was HE)
MA FOR PVP ON SPH??????? just tell me(BUT I WANT THE TRUTH) except from seeing others and imagining...have you EVER EVER played sh on MA? if yes and you liked it more than dc...ok
in mass pvp th>aw in HB dont fucking say no....in 1v1 also th>AW why? not coz of counterattack but COZ OF switch&trick +mirrage
really m8 im playing on elixir X7 server im 77lvl i need to hit baium to sub... take a PR there and come 1v1...i would be very very very happy to see you on the ground saying gf


and about what you say all classes are good..NO some classes are simply better than others just get it if not dont play online games...OVERPOWER exist in lineage in wow in cabal in almost every online game

BAHAHA THAT WAS THE REASON! Dvp is a very weak dagger and archer, his targetting sucks, everything that made him was his e-bayed equipment.

Just because on FURY the th is imbalanced that doesn't mean that's proper hellbound.
There's no overpower. That's why the destro smashes the dagger against the floor, but the nuker can kill the destro quite easily. That's balancement. Ever wondered why the sorc is weaker in pvp than other nukers? Because he has good aoe skills perfect for farming. The dagger now isn't the greatest choice for pvp, that's the tyrant. But the dagger once loose in the crowd can decimate in seconds, ask ruud what I did on golkonda a week ago. I avoided the main assist, landed 14 kills and survived. That wasn't pure skill, that was also luck because I didn't get targetted. This game isn't only about skill.

Dude you fail more than ever what's gotten into you? :)

Trick + switch + mirage. Mirage only takes away target AFTER you attack, so you won't get any skill interrupted. That's 1.
To cancel a dagger skill with trick and switch you need a great portion of luck since the daggers' attack speed is tremendous. Th is suited for longer pvps, like vs glads for example. His resistance is slightly higher, he can cancel targets easier, but he lacks proper dps in frontal combat. The gh is suited for 'kill in 2 seconds' pvps. From facing the target and having sustainable dps to getting on the target's back and killing it in two hits. That includes killing a th with max two sets of skills if he loses his focus. You just can't get it do you? The gh's dps is simply the highest ingame if he's not a handicap and can land hex + critical wound on you. Wake up!

yes ofc i know you are better from dvp...
he is known as the DVP of teon
you will be known as xIcarus from raidfight XAOXOAXOO alt+QQ
p.s. i thought you had played dagger....omg you DARE claim trick&switch are "useless" in dagger vs dagger?GH's speed best ingame? XOAXOAXOAOXAOXAOXAOXOAXOXAAXOAXOAO
p.s.2 if TH is smart believe me smartass GH is gonna use hex with a blow dmg cost... just dash...trick (spell interrupted) go in his back..PEW PEW

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That's balancement. Ever wondered why the sorc is weaker in pvp than other nukers? Because he has good aoe skills perfect for farming.
YOU CLAIM SORCE IS WEAK IN PVP WHILE IN http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=45 that is pvp topic YOU SAY :
Sorc is the greatest tank eater of all. He's not the weakest mage. He is just inferior in combat capabilities. He is used for aoe and he can also dry a target out with decay. So +1 vs destro in oly. Slow + decay. Not to mention that his role gains population in sieges while fighting guards because of his aoe skills.Remember, he can also cancel. The right buff removed is the easy win
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My post got lost so I'll just resume:

Dvp is still better than me, remember I don't have all that money to e-bay :lol:
xIcarus from raidfight hmm, that would mean another low-rate server for me, another lolhighrateserver for you :)>-

Quote me saying trick and switch are useless :D TH's trick and switch are supposed to be used by interrupting everything. But unforunately with a dagger skill casted in 1/5 of a second, you won't exactly cancel anything as you can presume, so they lose their value.
Gh's BASE speed is the highest ingame after pw :lol: For some reason you're not even reading my posts. Maybe the tsakpinius tardus bacteria is affecting your brain.

And about that simple strategy of yours, remember that trick doesn't have a 100% land rate. And even if it lands, the aw can also trick just before the th comes into him, and then blinding blow and say goodbye because you won't catch him in 8 seconds left from your dash. Gf. He will cast hex again and again and again until he lands it. And when he lands it it's bad.

About the quote thing: EPIC fail.
If you read it, I only said 'sorc is the greatest tank eater'. That doesn't mean he's exceptional in general pvp :lol: Look what I said further: 'he is just inferior in combat capabilities'. That doesn't mean that if he slows a dagger he won't be able to kill it. That also doesn't mean that if he crits the blaster he won't kill anything. Anything can kill a certain class with the right debuff. Just like prophets kill overlords because of mana burn.

Qq tsak, epic fail.

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btw guys is hard to get destro debufed.. thats the idea of being a destro right ? u are slow and i resist what ever they trow on you


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2xristos92 wrote:
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That's balancement. Ever wondered why the sorc is weaker in pvp than other nukers? Because he has good aoe skills perfect for farming.
while on the other you said:
Sorc is the greatest tank eater of all. He's not the weakest mage. He is just inferior in combat capabilities. He is used for aoe and he can also dry a target out with decay. So +1 vs destro in oly. Slow + decay. Not to mention that his role gains population in sieges while fighting guards because of his aoe skills.Remember, he can also cancel. The right buff removed is the easy win
QQ

LOL who cares about base speed when you have DASH?? with dash th's speed>aw's speed(if dash its +++you have it on all time)
in Hellbound TH>AW if you are too noob to admit its not my problem...

p.s. mage is nuker so you FAILED hard you just want to say the opposite of me you dont believe it

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Wow I said mage instead of nuker. But hey, everyone got the point, only you didn't. Ever wondered why?

Base speed? Dude are you retarded or something? You think you have perma dash? This isn't gracia2, it's HELLBOUND, and I don't think anyone assembles pp + wc + bd + sws + warlock just for a lousy pvp. Oh right, your server has that issue fixed by adding a full npc buffer doesn't it?
Enchanted dash? I've never seen an enchanted dash.
http://l2p.l2wh.com/setreasurehunter.html
Nothing here either. Proof or not true.

In statistical pvp, aw>th in any chronicle from c4 beyond. That's that, most people know that since c4 aw/pw>th in pvp. If you can't realise it, bad for you.

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Wow I said mage instead of nuker. But hey, everyone got the point, only you didn't. Ever wondered why?

Base speed? Dude are you retarded or something? You think you have perma dash? This isn't gracia2, it's HELLBOUND, and I don't think anyone assembles pp + wc + bd + sws + warlock just for a lousy pvp. Oh right, your server has that issue fixed by adding a full npc buffer doesn't it?
Enchanted dash? I've never seen an enchanted dash.
http://l2p.l2wh.com/setreasurehunter.html
Nothing here either. Proof or not true.

In statistical pvp, aw>th in any chronicle from c4 beyond. That's that, most people know that since c4 aw/pw>th in pvp. If you can't realise it, bad for you.

1) i play http://l2elixir.com/
2) i have seen a guy with dash all time...dunno champion/renewal/cov dunno shit but he had ALL TIME DASH
3)im 77lvl do you know what buffs i have? no you dont...
1)pp 66lvl 2)se 74lvl 3)bd 634)sws 55 4)warlock 71 SO GTFO you dont know shitt you just talk
IN HELLBOUND TH>AW(generally in 1v1 maybe aw>th) GET IT OR ARE YOU RETARDED/FUCKING NOOB?

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And for a pvp you box every buffer? =)))
ON the contrary I know what I'm talking about, you clearly don't :lol:

What's wrong now from th>aw you're down to MAYBE aw>th? /FAIL That proves you're not decided about what you're saying. Inverse psychology. Also means that you're sustaining a cause without proof.

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And for a pvp you box every buffer? =)))
ON the contrary I know what I'm talking about, you clearly don't :lol:

What's wrong now from th>aw you're down to MAYBE aw>th? /FAIL That proves you're not decided about what you're saying. Inverse psychology. Also means that you're sustaining a cause without proof.

1) i box 2 of them and another friend of mine boxed other 2
(there is 3 client limit)
2) as far as i have played th in that server i saw few AW and i killed them all from low lvls 40 till high 78-79

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2xristos92 wrote:
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That's balancement. Ever wondered why the sorc is weaker in pvp than other nukers? Because he has good aoe skills perfect for farming.
while on the other you said:
Sorc is the greatest tank eater of all. He's not the weakest mage. He is just inferior in combat capabilities. He is used for aoe and he can also dry a target out with decay. So +1 vs destro in oly. Slow + decay. Not to mention that his role gains population in sieges while fighting guards because of his aoe skills.Remember, he can also cancel. The right buff removed is the easy win
QQ

LOL who cares about base speed when you have DASH?? with dash th's speed>aw's speed(if dash its +++you have it on all time)
in Hellbound TH>AW if you are too noob to admit its not my problem...

p.s. mage is nuker so you FAILED hard you just want to say the opposite of me you dont believe it
why are u arguing with ur self??

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Motorhead wrote:
2xristos92 wrote:
2xristos92 wrote:
Icarus wrote:
That's balancement. Ever wondered why the sorc is weaker in pvp than other nukers? Because he has good aoe skills perfect for farming.
while on the other you said:
Sorc is the greatest tank eater of all. He's not the weakest mage. He is just inferior in combat capabilities. He is used for aoe and he can also dry a target out with decay. So +1 vs destro in oly. Slow + decay. Not to mention that his role gains population in sieges while fighting guards because of his aoe skills.Remember, he can also cancel. The right buff removed is the easy win
QQ

LOL who cares about base speed when you have DASH?? with dash th's speed>aw's speed(if dash its +++you have it on all time)
in Hellbound TH>AW if you are too noob to admit its not my problem...

p.s. mage is nuker so you FAILED hard you just want to say the opposite of me you dont believe it
why are u arguing with ur self??

plzz read all posts 1rst and you will understand

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werent u the one saying the sorc is the weakest mage and made a topic about that?
anw AW>TH
HE>Pr at survivability Pr>All at dmg in mass pvp,except SH.


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werent u the one saying the sorc is the weakest mage and made a topic about that?
anw AW>TH
HE>Pr at survivability Pr>All at dmg in mass pvp,except SH.

1)read all posts
2)yes sorce for me is the shittiest mage in pvp
3)TH is better than aw in 1v1 MAYBE not i havent played with pro aw but generally talking for pvp in HELLBOUND th>aw
4)FOR PVP HE>PR all the way Pr sucks in mass pvp too

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dude ua re a failure since u started to play this game and u are still a failure after u played it and u will be a failure when u will stop playing it :)) u made me laugh so hard...


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dude ua re a failure since u started to play this game and u are still a failure after u played it and u will be a failure when u will stop playing it :)) u made me laugh so hard...

just dont listen to what others say...play yourself and see if im right or wrong....i know that what icarus says sounds so good that every class is good but its not like this and it never was HB: is TH's chronicle IL:gladi/tyrant c3:SPS/sorce
just get an oppinion yourself
p.s. the 1rst time i started on official before!2 years coz i heard on PMFUN's forums that PR is great archer i made one myself and i was regreting it in every single lvl i got after ~61 that PR gains all of his skills dead eye/fatal counter
now i play HE and im very satisfied

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