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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:16 pm 
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Crovean wrote:
Destro > paladin


that's not so easy to say... I'm a phoenix Knight lvl 78 on the server I play with doom heavy+aoba health (sucky gear) and in my first match on olympiad I won vs the titan hero... see it like this... if both of them know how to play... the paladin just needs a litle luck to trigger shield slam asap before the destroyer gets to 30% hp... if he gets slammed, bb destro... they wont be able to use frenzy, zealot, batle roar, nothing... so theyre pretty much dead... and dont use a bow when u have angelic icon on... if u want my personal 5 cents either use Forgotten Blade +Focus (for uber critical rate (about 25% critical chance self buffed) or Barakiel's Axe +Focus with some augmentation of critical rate (decent critical rate (probably something like 12-13% critical rate and tremendous critical power (about 750-900 dmg on a light armored oponent)

Anyway if you're playing on the kind of server where all stuff is like +16 or that stuff... go destro... tanks bonus are almost useless when the enemy has heaven's divider+80 or that stuff...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:41 pm 
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True...when the 2 opponents are experienced players then its a matter of luck who will win in most of the cases...but not all :P

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:29 pm 
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That's true!!!But i think i will bet on da' destroyer!!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:46 pm 
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ok.. i will talk about my Paladin (exactly Phoenix Knight) fighting tactic..

I'm using Dye's: +4Con -4Str (more HP) and dye's for +WIT -Something (faster C speed)
Try to use sword ( more critical hits ) with SA health (more HP)
first you must use your self buffs: majesty (mode p def) and Physical Mirror (reflect 30% of physical skills atack - you can reflect armor crush back to destro) . Remember to use toggle Shield Fortress and Aegis Stance (only for short moments when you running from destro and he is on you back.. when he is on your front don't use it). you can also use Fortitude when destro use blunt weapon

When the begin to pvp first you gonna to do is to use Shield Slam on destro and then:
- if you debuff him with this way and he don't use guts or frenzy before you have some chance now.
- if you don't debuff him or he is on frenzy or guts try to kite him for a minute. He is a pretty slow so it shuld be easy (you can also use Shackle to root him). if he start to hiting you by bow just use Deflect Arrow. if he have and he can't catch you can use a bow :)
Try to shield stun him a lot (shield stun is the only non forces stun - it mean that even if destro have a lot of CON and Lion heart you can stun him something like 1 times on 3-4 stuns).

if your hp is something about 50% use Touch of Life on yourself (now your heal is more effectife, you are healed a lot, your hp regen is biger, and you have more resist to defuffs (i think only armor crush while fighting with destro).
Now (on Touch of Life effect) you can heal yourself with sacrifice (only if you have enchanted skill sacrifice +power or if you have armor or rb jawelly that increase heal power) - in this way you can heal yourself for something about 200-300 HP with super fast c speed with no mana use
If you don't have enchanted sacrifice or some itrems that increase you power heal you still have Holy Blessing (the best moment to use is is when your enemy is stuned or far from you) it should heal something about 700HP.
Then next good skill is Unlimited Defence. you can use it if you will be on Angelic Icon to life longer (but if enemy will not hit you at this moment the Angelic Icon will be used for nothing - all you can do is agro him or use bow).
If you are fighting with destro on mobs area - you can agro one mob to get a second Unlimited Defence ( Vengeance )
You can also use tribunal to decrease critical atack of your enemy and agro him.


That was all i wanted to say .. I have tanker from 2 years -it was Dark Avanger (own destro easy), now im playing Paladin from few months and i learn to fight him :)

This is not 100% win tactic, but makes you chance better.
I use similar tactic on my DA (i was on full b grade and i own players on witch full s grade and starwars weapon)

if someone know any high rate serwer just say it .. we can cheak this two chars ( i can be paladin) ;)

Sorry for my bad English


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:57 pm 
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Bla bla bla..

Bottom line: Tanks suck in pvp :P

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Lol a tank will never kill a destroyer in normal conditions

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:02 pm 
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oki gyus i play pvp and i just want to tell results . I made a tank and destro.With tank good p.def but shield slam allways resist and stun shield 80% resist :? I made and destro too.With destro think little overpowered - 1400 a-speed 45573 P.atack. I kill all with 1-2 hit and have a lot hp too. Destroyer>Paladin Off topic


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:19 pm 
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linken wrote:
oki gyus i play pvp and i just want to tell results . I made a tank and destro.With tank good p.def but shield slam allways resist and stun shield 80% resist :? I made and destro too.With destro think little overpowered - 1400 a-speed 45573 P.atack. I kill all with 1-2 hit and have a lot hp too. Destroyer>Paladin Off topic


lol... 45573 P. atack ? weapon +30 ? maybe there is something wrong with server ? l2j ?

how did you get this stats ? how many p def ? 10000?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:59 pm 
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lupa give your skype or somethink i wil send u pic. ANd armor IC +30 set only 1 think from set +40 and sword A GRADE + health + 38. ANd btw u really forget about tatoo of power ?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:25 am 
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when replying please remember that if you want to help people give them useful information from normal servers in normal circumstances.not +333333 weapons and +3333333 armor sets and buffbots or whatever

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:24 pm 
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BeAGentleman are you ok? -8 con for a tank? You're sick. 14k pdef... Leave that server as fast as you can. 10k mdef lol. I have almost done 2.4k with an aw. You can only get those stats with ult def.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:06 pm 
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hah yeah 10k m.def ? gm made your items lol .


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:45 pm 
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Or he's got roughly +100 items. Maximum enchant was about 5k i think. 5.6k something. At least on interlude.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:00 pm 
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l2 mAx enchant is 65535 ! I am gm and i know


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:06 pm 
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BeAGentleman wrote:
@serenity Yeah tanks suck in pvp :) I`m 100% sure of it. Wanna check something ?

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... ghtal5.jpg

and

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... ghtyw1.jpg


I wanna know how you`ll be able to kill those tanks so easy. Not +33333 weapons an armors. Retail tanks. You get shackled he`s close to you and he starts choping you fast.

But the "I am so good player" doesn`t know that others can be powerfull even if their class is tank :)



@linken WHy the heck you started posting here if you already made both caracters and you know what you need to know ? BTW not all of us play on L2J servers with safe enchant +24000 ok ?


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