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best archer in pvp , mass pvp ,pve
Hawk Eye 49%  49%  [ 17 ]
Silver Ranger 17%  17%  [ 6 ]
Phantom Ranger 34%  34%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 35
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:11 pm 
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there is aleady a topic about the best archer...
http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=1042&start=75
On topic: PR

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SR > PR atm

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read between the lines.....read between the lines....PR the most votes,HE the second and SR...the last.....he sucks at damage....he is just for creating diversions,and run run run run


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unninstal l2 and go play super mario noob , sr shots the stunning shot faster , have higher chance , and the pr without maj light will be stunned surely , and if the pr get stunned he will have no chances more

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 Post subject: Re: the best archer (poll)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:32 pm 
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Icarus wrote:
The bst archer for me is the PR. That's why i don't recommend it to waza (the biggest noob ever to walk this forum).
WaZaWanGa wrote:
imo HE is the best in all cases

1. HE lacks spike damage.
2. HE cannot kite daggers.

Just ONE question. What dyes do you use on HE?


and PR is better because he can kite daggers and HE cant .............................

from now on i wont even reply to your post , you are an idiot.... i saw some of your posts on a thread when u were saying that Snipe is useless in 1vs1 because it adds just a little more damage........................

so in conclusion.. i was arguing with a guy that never played hawkeye prolly 1-2 classes for him PR is so imbalanced over HE

and the answer for your q : +4dex -4con


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u know waza...u're right...anyway atlant will only choose the light elves...so it's imposible to tell him about dark elves or humans!


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atlant448 wrote:
PaaGRIO wrote:
SR the archer Pwnzor ... I told u before the most balanced fighter is the L.Elf
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Stats/class He Sr Pr
STR high low high
DEX low high high
CON high high low


Since when 35 con is considered high?

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v140 wrote:
HE 80 lvl -9 con (34CON) hp=3578
PR 80 lvl +2 con (34CON) hp=4220
SR 80 lvl -2 con (34 CON) hp=3988
its without items and buffs .... I check that in 1 sait http://l2calc.l2blah.com/


But look at the other stats too. and the cp really matters on pvp


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HE- PR- SR draconic set +0 draconic bow SA focus +0 no dyes no buffs all of them lvl 80 ...and here are the results



Status Window Lv 80 Class Hawkeye
HP 4377 CP 3064
MP 2042
P.Atk. 2372 M.Atk. 247
P.Def. 833 M.Def. 720
Accuracy 109 Evasion 125
Critical 247 Speed 138
Atk. Spd. 355
Casting Spd. 213

Base Stats
STR 41 DEX 31 CON 41
INT 21 WIT 11 MEN 25


Status Window Lv 80 Class Phantom Ranger
HP 3732 CP 1866
MP 2067
P.Atk. 2427 M.Atk. 291
P.Def. 833 M.Def. 731
Accuracy 111 Evasion 127
Critical 226 Speed 151
Atk. Spd. 350
Casting Spd. 226

Base Stats
STR 42 DEX 35 CON 30
INT 25 WIT 12 MEN 26



Status Window Lv 80 Class Silver Ranger
HP 3988 CP 1994
MP 2067
P.Atk. 2195 M.Atk. 272
P.Def. 833 M.Def. 731
Accuracy 112 Evasion 128
Critical 255 Speed 156
Atk. Spd. 353
Casting Spd. 249

Base Stats
STR 37 DEX 36 CON 34
INT 23 WIT 14 MEN 26


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WaZaWanGa wrote:
Icarus wrote:
The bst archer for me is the PR. That's why i don't recommend it to waza (the biggest noob ever to walk this forum).
WaZaWanGa wrote:
imo HE is the best in all cases

1. HE lacks spike damage.
2. HE cannot kite daggers.

Just ONE question. What dyes do you use on HE?


and PR is better because he can kite daggers and HE cant .............................

from now on i wont even reply to your post , you are an idiot.... i saw some of your posts on a thread when u were saying that Snipe is useless in 1vs1 because it adds just a little more damage........................

so in conclusion.. i was arguing with a guy that never played hawkeye prolly 1-2 classes for him PR is so imbalanced over HE

and the answer for your q : +4dex -4con

HE can kite an aw? No. Can pr do it? Not extremely efficiently, but yes, he can. Can sr do it? More efficiently than pr, yes. HE can only kite with dash, which is lvl 1 anyway, so is pretty much a big nothing.

Don't reply my posts, don't even look at them in my opinion. You did a big mistake in the past and that's why i ain't sociable with you.

And the answer for my big question is a big nothing. Do you know what's the gain of speed/atk speed/crit rate/accuracy for such a low base dex? Do you know what's the loss for dropping such a high con? Simple experiment:

HE unbuffed, + 4dex -4 con, that's 39 con: HP 4140 - CP 2898 - Atk. Spd. 350 - Speed 142.
SR unbuffed, no dyes: HP 4219 - CP 2109 - Atk. Spd. 336 - Speed 154

Look, your 39 con means lower hp than the sr has. Really nice right, considering that the dps of a sr is way higher.
This is a fact: by doing + dex, a HE gains CRAP. Dropping con, the HE loses too much. The he practically gains 5 speed, 12 atk speed (WOW), 6 critical chance, 2 accuracy and 2 evasion, BUT HE LOSES 533 hp and 373 cp, which means exactly 906 total 'stamina'. Is it worth it? No. There are 2 moves on a HE: either you leave it as it is, either you +con - dex.

I think i have demonstrated just how much you know about your beloved class.


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Icarus wrote:
WaZaWanGa wrote:
Icarus wrote:
The bst archer for me is the PR. That's why i don't recommend it to waza (the biggest noob ever to walk this forum).
WaZaWanGa wrote:
imo HE is the best in all cases

1. HE lacks spike damage.
2. HE cannot kite daggers.

Just ONE question. What dyes do you use on HE?


and PR is better because he can kite daggers and HE cant .............................

from now on i wont even reply to your post , you are an idiot.... i saw some of your posts on a thread when u were saying that Snipe is useless in 1vs1 because it adds just a little more damage........................

so in conclusion.. i was arguing with a guy that never played hawkeye prolly 1-2 classes for him PR is so imbalanced over HE

and the answer for your q : +4dex -4con

HE can kite an aw? No. Can pr do it? Not extremely efficiently, but yes, he can. Can sr do it? More efficiently than pr, yes. HE can only kite with dash, which is lvl 1 anyway, so is pretty much a big nothing.

Don't reply my posts, don't even look at them in my opinion. You did a big mistake in the past and that's why i ain't sociable with you.

And the answer for my big question is a big nothing. Do you know what's the gain of speed/atk speed/crit rate/accuracy for such a low base dex? Do you know what's the loss for dropping such a high con? Simple experiment:

HE unbuffed, + 4dex -4 con, that's 39 con: HP 4140 - CP 2898 - Atk. Spd. 350 - Speed 142.
SR unbuffed, no dyes: HP 4219 - CP 2109 - Atk. Spd. 336 - Speed 154

Look, your 39 con means lower hp than the sr has. Really nice right, considering that the dps of a sr is way higher.
This is a fact: by doing + dex, a HE gains CRAP. Dropping con, the HE loses too much. The he practically gains 5 speed, 12 atk speed (WOW), 6 critical chance, 2 accuracy and 2 evasion, BUT HE LOSES 533 hp and 373 cp, which means exactly 906 total 'stamina'. Is it worth it? No. There are 2 moves on a HE: either you leave it as it is, either you +con - dex.

I think i have demonstrated just how much you know about your beloved class.



+5dex -5con adds little to a HE , but when full buffed , all PP buffs COV, dances , songs can make alot of difference . not mentioning FOCUS SA on weapon .... anyway u cant see that because u never played hawkeye on a siege or mass pvp

u went to a site saw some numbers and come here talking like you know everything

now i'm not saying that +dex is the best choise .. for farming i used +5str until 78 or so , after that i was only pvping so +5dex was the best for me


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FOR FUCK'S SAKE USE THE GOD DAMN SEARCH BUTTON AND STOP OPENING STUPID THREADS FOR 1000000 TIMES
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