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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:09 pm 
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Well first think then talk please
but if u dont want then it is ok it is ur right
There is no explanation to all things in nature
So there is no answer for all
We can think but we can not know things
thats all about god we believe we dont know we see miracles
but we are not sure if an story is true. When belief is involved then no logic and any arguments can solve problems
there is no proof
only belief
noone can convince me nad i can not convince u too
cause we dont listen
we just believe
what is true and what is not we are not made or evolved to know
we are part of a game ??
nature? or gods?
we dont know
what we can ask and answer is is it profitable in any way?
YES
it is
for book writers churches goverments suvenir sellers miracle performers and many more
do we need to be customers?
u choose
ty


thats true...

I believe in God, I've seen a miracle myself (the supernatural event I mentioned b4). I rly can't tell if the God Christians believe in is the real one but there must be some1 "playing the role" of God.

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If God exists, I hope he has got a good reason :o

Seriously, no ( for me )

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I dont
But i can prove nothing to u
i can not even prove that sun will come out tommorow
so do u
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God exists. How can u explain miracles?
And fyi, even faithless people confirmed miracles.
How can you explain exorcisms?

How can you explain that saint's bodies haven't rotten after so many years?
No1 can explain what happens. But all those people where saints of the
Orthodox church. Underline Orthodox.
Especially the fellow Greeks here that know about history, know what i mean.

Science can't explain everything. Christianity can. Underline Christianity.
Some people use religion to gain money and comforts. That doesn't change a thing. God's there. That doesn't mean he has to interfere and 'help us'.
Cuz we don't deserve it tbh. It happens that i come from religious family and I know things most people don't.

And last thing, some saints still live in Greece and other places like Hungary and Romania.

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There should be a God that ppl would be controlled, because they will became animal or something like that.

EVEN IF IT'S A LIE


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How are u so sure for what u see?
or u have seen?
or about what someone tells u?
if god created as one think is for sure he gave us no ability to see things like they are
so how are u sure of any miracle
have u aver seen plane flying without fuel?
a man with no legs and arms regenerating new like salamadras?
no
only fake blind that find their sight back LOL
and previus handicaped that they walk sudenly
ok
i will reccomend a test
i will put ur childs (if u agree) in an airplane with no fuel no wings and no turbines and i will let u call god and pray as long as u want and as many of u as u want
maybe even all belivers
and if this plane Tkaes Off ground i will join u too LOL


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nentar wrote:
How are u so sure for what u see?
or u have seen?
or about what someone tells u?
if god created as one think is for sure he gave us no ability to see things like they are
so how are u sure of any miracle
have u aver seen plane flying without fuel?
a man with no legs and arms regenerating new like salamadras?
no
only fake blind that find their sight back LOL
and previus handicaped that they walk sudenly
ok
i will reccomend a test
i will put ur childs (if u agree) in an airplane with no fuel no wings and no turbines and i will let u call god and pray as long as u want and as many of u as u want
maybe even all belivers
and if this plane Tkaes Off ground i will join u too LOL


I told you! About 1k years old blood still flows in the sea!!!

What's so hard to understand? It's a miracle, I've seen it myself, and I'm not the only one!

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The church: the church is a profit organisation. Can't you see through the priest's lies!? The church was designed as a holy place. IT'S NOT ANYMORE! Preachers now get all the profit. And i won't even mention about the banality of christianity itself. VIRGIN NUNS? SICK!

I don't believe in god or any other 'divine' entity. I believe in my own powers.



Ofcourse church is a profit organisation, everything is. But you have to know, that this isnt really profitable (u dont really see priest driving BMWs), they have to live from something and if they are able to restrict themself from love or having a family, they will is strong (ofcoures this goes only for the katolic priests, not all).

I myself do not believe that God controls my fate and will help me when i need help and i dont believe in th bible. But the fact is i was raised in the katolic way and i still celebrate the cristian holidays and i still try to follow the 10 laws. The 10 laws are not bullshit and if all would follow them, the world would be a better place.

Maybe i went a bit offtopic, but this had to be said.


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nentar wrote:
How are u so sure for what u see?
or u have seen?
or about what someone tells u?
if god created as one think is for sure he gave us no ability to see things like they are
so how are u sure of any miracle
have u aver seen plane flying without fuel?
a man with no legs and arms regenerating new like salamadras?
no
only fake blind that find their sight back LOL
and previus handicaped that they walk sudenly
ok
i will reccomend a test
i will put ur childs (if u agree) in an airplane with no fuel no wings and no turbines and i will let u call god and pray as long as u want and as many of u as u want
maybe even all belivers
and if this plane Tkaes Off ground i will join u too LOL

Thats seriously dumb.
Why would God save you or your child? If you test faith using your child you deserve cancer.
And yes, many blind people got their sight back. (confirmed by faithless)
Many handicap people were able to walk after. (confirmed by faithless)
Now what you say means nothing. You're one the people who doubt without a real cause. You don't have to be a 'praying' Christian. You just have to be a good person. Thats enough lol

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Primax wrote:
Icarus wrote:
The church: the church is a profit organisation. Can't you see through the priest's lies!? The church was designed as a holy place. IT'S NOT ANYMORE! Preachers now get all the profit. And i won't even mention about the banality of christianity itself. VIRGIN NUNS? SICK!

I don't believe in god or any other 'divine' entity. I believe in my own powers.



Ofcourse church is a profit organisation, everything is. But you have to know, that this isnt really profitable (u dont really see priest driving BMWs), they have to live from something and if they are able to restrict themself from love or having a family, they will is strong (ofcoures this goes only for the katolic priests, not all).

I myself do not believe that God controls my fate and will help me when i need help and i dont believe in th bible. But the fact is i was raised in the katolic way and i still celebrate the cristian holidays and i still try to follow the 10 laws. The 10 laws are not bullshit and if all would follow them, the world would be a better place.

Maybe i went a bit offtopic, but this had to be said.


for non-god believers the first 3 laws (if im not mistaken) are just useless but the rest will sure make our world a better place.

btw do u see ppl getting cured by rare and dangerous illnesses or viruses like cancer? Yes, you see on the news. Do you see every1 getting cured? NO! The doctors cure them? NO! Doctors can do nothing with these illnesses and viruses atm. It's God that cures faithful ppl!

well, I have not experienced sthing like that, so I can't confirm it, but we do see on the news.

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Yes i believe u but
if i do i must believe also all kind off ppl in other doctrines that they perform miracles too
like dalai lama
like mouslims
like all gods in all civilizations
and why dont u believe that Zeus transformed himself into a boul?
i am sure that a lot ancients greeks saw him too
There is no question if u have seen and i have seen a friend making cards "miracle" but he is a performer
taxydaktylourgos afou eisai kai ellhnas
but i dont believe that he is god
there is a tryk behind it


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nentar wrote:
Yes i believe u but
if i do i must believe also all kind off ppl in other doctrines that they perform miracles too
like dalai lama
like mouslims
like all gods in all civilizations
and why dont u believe that Zeus transformed himself into a boul?
i am sure that a lot ancients greeks saw him too
There is no question if u have seen and i have seen a friend making cards "miracle" but he is a performer
taxydaktylourgos afou eisai kai ellhnas
but i dont believe that he is god
there is a tryk behind it


what u say is DIFFERENT!

all these impossible to explain events are caused by who? have u seen some1 keeping the dead bodies in good condition? trying to save the blood in the sea forever? pouring blood from Mary's face on a painting?

It's all made by some1 we can't see, God.

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I don't know about Dalai lama. I dunno about Muslims.
But what i do know is that 7.000 turkish soldiers were running through whole
Peloponnese after seeing the image of Holy Mary crying in the sky.
God has saved greek people many times. Cuz greeks used to be faithful.
They tough their children to believe in God. To pray and believe.
To help, to show mercy. And God helped us.
Or you think Muslims would lie that they saw Virgin Mary? :)
No. God helps the faithful. Sometimes he doesn't. None knows his master plan. But I have faith. You know, humans are hypocrites. 1st cursing God when something goes wrong. And then begging for his help when they need him.

Ofc, not everything is true. But people should have faith. Thats why world gets shittier day by day. Cuz people don't believe. People act with hate against others. People don't give a fuck.

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God exists. How can u explain miracles?
And fyi, even faithless people confirmed miracles.
How can you explain exorcisms?

How can you explain that saint's bodies haven't rotten after so many years?
No1 can explain what happens. But all those people where saints of the
Orthodox church. Underline Orthodox.
Especially the fellow Greeks here that know about history, know what i mean.

Science can't explain everything. Christianity can. Underline Christianity.
Some people use religion to gain money and comforts. That doesn't change a thing. God's there. That doesn't mean he has to interfere and 'help us'.
Cuz we don't deserve it tbh. It happens that i come from religious family and I know things most people don't.

And last thing, some saints still live in Greece and other places like Hungary and Romania.


saint bodies may be mumificated
rotting depends on the % h2o in the air,depends on many many things..even the % of fat in the body..

miracles?what miracles?lucky situations when 100 die and 1 survives and that is miracle?dont think so..
look im not against christianity..its idea is great
love each other,dont do bad to each other,be helpfull blah blah blah
i agree this is good
but christianity and any religion in general has become a tool..a key to ur mind,a way to rule u..every dood here that knows a bit history will be able to remember the payment was called indulgention(or smth like that индулгенция in bulgarian)..U pay and u get redemption..this is christianity?god wants the noblesse to pay and get churcs support...lol no purifying there..pure money talk..u pay and church helps u..

people need something to believe in..because they are not powerfull enough or they just dont believe in theyrselfs..
the weak people that dont have money,home,family say:god has said that i should go trough this way and i will go..i say BULLSHIT!
i say that d00d was lazy to study,to find a job,to live normal..

humans need to be controled because they are evil...no diablo/sathan/demon is responsible for that..
if the random man/woman knows that if he/she kills/steals/or whatever
will not be followed by a punishment HE WILL DO IT

religion is a way to control..effective or less thats the fact and after all thats my personal point u may agree or disagree


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