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 Post subject: hello, i need some help, i dont understand this ...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:34 pm 
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Hello everyone!

this was posted by a GM in nexus 7x forums respect rates ...

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Server is 7x with the balanced method we used in c4for DROP /SPOIL as:

If item rate x 7 >100 % then item_amount rate = 7x and item_chance_rate=1x
If item rate x 7 <100 % then item_amount rate = 1x and item_chance_rate=7x


For raids : item_chance_rate=7x
Sealstone 7x
Ai Adena Rate = 7x
Ai Exp Rate = 7x


can someone explain me this??? please, becasue i dont understand, im new :D

thnks very much

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:52 pm 
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its like this becouse probability is limited to 1.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:57 pm 
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so .. to resume .. items can be drop by 7 or 1? it just luck?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:12 pm 
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drops with higher chance like materials will drop with x7 amount but with x1 chance
drops with lower chance like full drops will drop with x1 amount but with x7 chance

its not luck.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:35 pm 
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ahhh ... now i undersand!!! recs are like mats too?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:45 am 
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hbsr wrote:
drops with higher chance like materials will drop with x7 amount but with x1 chance
drops with lower chance like full drops will drop with x1 amount but with x7 chance

its not luck.

amount 7? cool economy u r goin to have there :D
the person who decided to make such rates must be a retard... catalin?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:54 am 
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It was the same in c4 at dex . And guess what, everybody talk about dex c4 as best server.
In npcdata gracia final rec are in mats group category.

@biglol... Let it go moron. Go make your own server.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:03 am 
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y thats retarded

same as 7 DC gloves recs in vos =D


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:20 pm 
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Dark Crystal Gloves recipe is very low chance so only chance is x7 and amount is x1. No? :s


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:22 pm 
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BigLoL wrote:
hbsr wrote:
drops with higher chance like materials will drop with x7 amount but with x1 chance
drops with lower chance like full drops will drop with x1 amount but with x7 chance

its not luck.

amount 7? cool economy u r goin to have there :D
the person who decided to make such rates must be a retard... catalin?


I find it cool.
Dunno what's wrong with it for you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:51 pm 
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From Dex Coders:
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And about the x7, it's a bit trickier than what people think about it. And that's why they complain about it.
To clarify this point :

A mob got group of drop, for instance :
mat drop group : charcoal, SoP
part drop group : glove part, boot part

Each group got its own chance, so for instance :
mat drop group : 20% chance
part drop group : 10% chance

And then there is a chance of item inside the group, so for instance :
mat drop group (20%) : charcoal (99%), SoP (1%)
part drop group (10%) : glove part (99%), boot part (1%)

So offi like, those are the chances :
charcoal 19.8%
SoP 0.2%
glove part 9.9%
boot part 0.1%

With that people think they'll get charcoal with x7 quantity and SoP/glove part/boot part as x7 chance.
But the math is done on the group chance. mat group chance is 20%, 20% * 7 > 100% so all mats quantity x7. The part group chance is 10%, 10% * 7 = 70%, so chance is x7.

So Nexus rate are :
charcoal x7 at 19.8%
SoP x7 at 0.2%
glove part x1 at 69.3%
boot part x1 0.7%

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:05 am 
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tutanka wrote:
From Dex Coders:
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And about the x7, it's a bit trickier than what people think about it. And that's why they complain about it.
To clarify this point :

A mob got group of drop, for instance :
mat drop group : charcoal, SoP
part drop group : glove part, boot part

Each group got its own chance, so for instance :
mat drop group : 20% chance
part drop group : 10% chance

And then there is a chance of item inside the group, so for instance :
mat drop group (20%) : charcoal (99%), SoP (1%)
part drop group (10%) : glove part (99%), boot part (1%)

So offi like, those are the chances :
charcoal 19.8%
SoP 0.2%
glove part 9.9%
boot part 0.1%

With that people think they'll get charcoal with x7 quantity and SoP/glove part/boot part as x7 chance.
But the math is done on the group chance. mat group chance is 20%, 20% * 7 > 100% so all mats quantity x7. The part group chance is 10%, 10% * 7 = 70%, so chance is x7.

So Nexus rate are :
charcoal x7 at 19.8%
SoP x7 at 0.2%
glove part x1 at 69.3%
boot part x1 0.7%

nice example, dont forget some mobs have like 80% chance for some mats so the effect will be almost every of them dropping 7 mats
this way market becomes retarded.... even mid rates arent so fked up....


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:35 am 
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ya as mario says rates are fuked especially recipe rates =D.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:50 pm 
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more mats = balanced economy .
It is the main rule of l2 even on offi (were mats are via bots).
And Nexus is 7x , not 4x as Dex

A quick look in npcdata GF and you will see that ncsoft added recipes and some enchants in mats category. Not dex coders :)

But haters will always find any small issue to complain about .

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:03 pm 
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im not a hater you fucking monkey. It`s not about the materials either ; since stupidity seems to be the main characteristic for you spare us of your presence.


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