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 Post subject: Re: Innova Distribution LLC. Attacks all L2j streamers.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:50 pm 
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Trustmebro wrote:
BDO isn't even that p2w. Sure it has a pretty high starting cost if you want to make the game enjoyable, because of all the convenience crap.


For me, this is literally the worst option of all. I don't even mind getting 1-shot by whales in games, but when the game forces you to spend some money in order for you to stop suffering (e.g. selling inventory slots which are otherwise unbearably limited or doubling your progress on important parts of the game for a subscription fee), it just feels scummy... It's such a shame that the old subscription only payment model is all but dead these days.

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By the way I told Innova on Email that their official servers sckass - And I would rather quit streaming than stream their boring lame server.

He might gotten my hint or I made them mad and they gonna spam strike me.

We will see which one is it going to be :D :D


Perhaps they'll get a hint that they can't force people into streaming their server lol. Like, who thinks "oh so these people just bullied me out of streaming, forcing me to remove all my previous broadcasts, let's join their server because they seem to be such a good fellows"

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 Post subject: Re: Innova Distribution LLC. Attacks all L2j streamers.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:08 am 
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Most of the L2 streamers moved on Trovo btw

https://trovo.live/games/LineageII


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:04 am 
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Kush wrote:
Most of the L2 streamers moved on Trovo btw

https://trovo.live/games/LineageII


Huh, didn't even know this exists until now, but it seems to be very popular... Though I'm afraid it's only a matter of time until Innova's hand reaches this site as well :?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:35 pm 
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CodexPwnz11 wrote:
Of course I told them I would never play their crap pay to win game module. I rather go to BDO or whatever MMORPG is available.

Maybe calling them scammers and shady company with a dying game was a bad call but, I do not care.


i love what you did there :D give them all the shit right in their face man, mucho respetto

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I am just not sure how twitch allows this since I play l2j which is open source for public, I got told by Essence that it's still copyright no matter of the platform, and that l2j "illegal" servers still use their "textures modules etc"


with this one they are correct, copyright and patent law is NOT easy and the actual judicial practice is mildly said VERY CONTRADICTIVE
however one thing i can call out for sure - the game models, game music, game text, game name those are all protected by copyright law and its their intellectual property
so l2j which is the server emulator is indeed okay to be free and open source because it deals with literal logic of the game
however when you play on l2private-server.com the illegal part is the server owners can use the l2j build, however they cannot call it L2, when you login to the game non of the "artistic" assets should be there and even then plagiarism can be proven if lets say npc dialogues, quest names, skill names etc matches what ncsoft produced with the game

so short answer - yes -> if it is called lineage2, looks like lineage2 then its illegal to use it without NCSoft consent even if you developed your custom game world engine as in L2J because the problem is in the visuals and audio simply said


surely you can dispute because you do not own any of the assets, you are indeed joining a publicly available service that has not been shut down by authorities and if they deemed its illegal they would just close them down

ps: essence is for degenerates, its indeed mu-online autofarm trash, i pity people who "nolife" that


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:21 am 
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Kush wrote:
Most of the L2 streamers moved on Trovo btw

https://trovo.live/games/LineageII

Although I was unaware of its existence until now, it appears to be highly well-liked. However, I'm worried that it's just a matter of time until Innova's hand also touches this location?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:14 pm 
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CodexPwnz11 wrote:
Of course I told them I would never play their crap pay to win game module. I rather go to BDO or whatever MMORPG is available.

Maybe calling them scammers and shady company with a dying game was a bad call but, I do not care.


i love what you did there :D give them all the shit right in their face man, mucho respetto

CodexPwnz11 wrote:
I am just not sure how twitch allows this since I play l2j which is open source for public, I got told by Essence that it's still copyright no matter of the platform, and that l2j "illegal" servers still use their "textures modules etc"


with this one they are correct, copyright and patent law is NOT easy and the actual judicial practice is mildly said VERY CONTRADICTIVE
however one thing i can call out for sure - the game models, game music, game text, game name those are all protected by copyright law and its their intellectual property
so l2j which is the server emulator is indeed okay to be free and open source because it deals with literal logic of the game
however when you play on l2private-server.com the illegal part is the server owners can use the l2j build, however they cannot call it L2, when you login to the game non of the "artistic" assets should be there and even then plagiarism can be proven if lets say npc dialogues, quest names, skill names etc matches what ncsoft produced with the game

so short answer - yes -> if it is called lineage2, looks like lineage2 then its illegal to use it without NCSoft consent even if you developed your custom game world engine as in L2J because the problem is in the visuals and audio simply said


surely you can dispute because you do not own any of the assets, you are indeed joining a publicly available service that has not been shut down by authorities and if they deemed its illegal they would just close them down

ps: essence is for degenerates, its indeed mu-online autofarm trash, i pity people who "nolife" that



4 days ago I started to stream again, and AGAIN innova banged on my toilet door and striked me.

And once again I wrote them an email, if they will decline my lovely offer this time, I will explain once again why their sht stinks. :D

Life really can be crazy sometimes :D


P.s I heard that streaming on kick is safe, is this true?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:51 am 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3FBRuw7b-Q

I'm officially a hater, and will set a side at least 30 minutes each day to spew some hate towards Innova. That's what they allegedly wanted I guess. :arrow:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:19 pm 
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CodexPwnz11 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/v/W3FBRuw7b-Q

I'm officially a hater, and will set a side at least 30 minutes each day to spew some hate towards Innova. That's what they allegedly wanted I guess. :arrow:


First off, I agree with you.

But banging your head and expecting different results is pure insanity. They have more money than you, they can afford better lawyers than you. You will not win.

Take a breath, relax and screw em. Not worth your time.

Me thinks some shady backroom deals are being made here that we are not privy to. Money is usually always involved.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:47 pm 
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CodexPwnz11 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/v/W3FBRuw7b-Q

I'm officially a hater, and will set a side at least 30 minutes each day to spew some hate towards Innova. That's what they allegedly wanted I guess. :arrow:


First off, I agree with you.

But banging your head and expecting different results is pure insanity. They have more money than you, they can afford better lawyers than you. You will not win.

Take a breath, relax and screw em. Not worth your time.

Me thinks some shady backroom deals are being made here that we are not privy to. Money is usually always involved.


If I can stop 1 dummy to join and spend $$ on their trash, than that's totally worth for me.

But yeah, your right, light troll around their fb page, might check twitter also.
Been decade since I indulge in these kinds of activities, and to be honest, it's kinda fun and entertaining :D alrdy got thrown out from their discord and banned on forum. xd


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:07 pm 
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CodexPwnz11 wrote:
inkblot wrote:
CodexPwnz11 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/v/W3FBRuw7b-Q

I'm officially a hater, and will set a side at least 30 minutes each day to spew some hate towards Innova. That's what they allegedly wanted I guess. :arrow:


First off, I agree with you.

But banging your head and expecting different results is pure insanity. They have more money than you, they can afford better lawyers than you. You will not win.

Take a breath, relax and screw em. Not worth your time.

Me thinks some shady backroom deals are being made here that we are not privy to. Money is usually always involved.


If I can stop 1 dummy to join and spend $$ on their trash, than that's totally worth for me.

But yeah, your right, light troll around their fb page, might check twitter also.
Been decade since I indulge in these kinds of activities, and to be honest, it's kinda fun and entertaining :D alrdy got thrown out from their discord and banned on forum. xd



Any true Lineage 2 player would not touch a P2W server if their lives depended on it. And I am sure your message has been read by many. I thank you for your hard work and dedication.

But know when the fight is done. Go find some good servers and report back here. You could be our guide to quality Lineage Servers.

Think about it.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:52 pm 
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It's funny. If Innova spend half the resources they do on harassing streamers on improving their servers, they would've been the best server by a large margin :(

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:17 am 
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Herlitz wrote:
It's funny. If Innova spend half the resources they do on harassing streamers on improving their servers, they would've been the best server by a large margin :(



Think about it.

They are pay to play almost. Any live video you see for their server is advertising.

Pay one dude or write an algorithm that monitors certain sites and notify's you.

Kill the competition.

Innova reminds me of a pyramid scheme, eventually they will run out of suckers.

But I bet we would all be surprised if we knew how much money they were pulling in.

Even on retail it was bad in the beginning. Those farmers made a killing. But why hire farmers when you run the server?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:21 am 
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CodexPwnz11 wrote:

P.s I heard that streaming on kick is safe, is this true?


Kick streaming is only safe because the platform isn't relevant enough. The bottom line is if you stream private server content, you will never be safe. Eventually, if you get enough eyes, you will be shutdown.


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