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 Post subject: Why every privete server use only one chronicle ??
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:16 pm 
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Imo that's the reason for the server fails.

For example lets say the server is low rate interlude:

1. Players that play nolife get top equipment in month or less, ppl that play less are still in C grade and will be no factor in PvPs. That makes huge difference between them, and those players that play much will have little competition and will probably get bored.

2. After few months no new players will join because others will be with top items and max level. The low level areas will be empty and if there are new players they will feel like they are alone in the server. So the server will only loose ppl until die.

3. When players reach the endgame of that chronicle, there is nothing to do in this server because there will be no new things to make ever. So they left and go in another server to do the same thing.

But lets imagine server that start with C1(Top grade B) than after lets say 4 months is upgraded to chronicle where top grade is A (I don't know what chronicle is that) than lets say C4, C5 or interlude (S grade)...

Server of this kind will not have this three problems:

1. The gap between hardcore and casual players will be less because top equipment at begining will be B grade(hard to make in C1). So when people that play much are in B the others will be in C. After the first chronicle update casual players will have B and the Hardcore players will have A... than after next update top will be S. This will make server with more competition and PvP.

2. After every chronicle update new players will join because there will be new top items that no one have. The low level areas will be crowded too. This will make the server to grow after every update.

3. There will be no endgame because every update will add new things to do. So even if a player get bored and quit server, he can return when next update come and continue play with his character, leveling up and making new items.

This game can't survive if it's not updated periodically, NCsoft knew that and updated it every half year. I don't know why such private servers don't exist. Maybe the server developers don't know how to do it. Maybe its too hard to get bugless server files of those chronicles. I don't know.
What you think about that?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:22 pm 
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I didn't read whole post , but idea of server which improve by changing chronicles is awesome and I was thinking of such server for long time , if they'd make server that starts with old chronicle and end up even on h5 , It would be the best private server ever made.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:07 pm 
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I didn't read whole post , but idea of server which improve by changing chronicles is awesome and I was thinking of such server for long time , if they'd make server that starts with old chronicle and end up even on h5 , It would be the best private server ever made.

C1 c4 gf are leaked files. No other.
You can try a progressive project using java maybe

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:21 pm 
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tutanka wrote:
STBdrum wrote:
I didn't read whole post , but idea of server which improve by changing chronicles is awesome and I was thinking of such server for long time , if they'd make server that starts with old chronicle and end up even on h5 , It would be the best private server ever made.

C1 c4 gf are leaked files. No other.
You can try a progressive project using java maybe

That's the biggest problem and main reason why the dream will stay just the dream. However, some mini-version of this project could be done with jumping from C4 to Interlude (with extender it's pretty decent), then to Gracia Final and after that ending it with H5.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:22 pm 
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for most servers its too hard, even NA considered this, but droped cause of l2 unpopularity recent years. maybe rpg club or russian gianst can do this

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:45 am 
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Well , c4 -> IL -> gf -> h5 would be enough. No need every single chronicle , and there is plenty of h5 off servers. Maybe someday ...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:18 am 
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botsman wrote:
Imo that's the reason for the server fails.

For example lets say the server is low rate interlude:

1. Players that play nolife get top equipment in month or less, ppl that play less are still in C grade and will be no factor in PvPs. That makes huge difference between them, and those players that play much will have little competition and will probably get bored.

2. After few months no new players will join because others will be with top items and max level. The low level areas will be empty and if there are new players they will feel like they are alone in the server. So the server will only loose ppl until die.

3. When players reach the endgame of that chronicle, there is nothing to do in this server because there will be no new things to make ever. So they left and go in another server to do the same thing.

But lets imagine server that start with C1(Top grade B) than after lets say 4 months is upgraded to chronicle where top grade is A (I don't know what chronicle is that) than lets say C4, C5 or interlude (S grade)...

Server of this kind will not have this three problems:

1. The gap between hardcore and casual players will be less because top equipment at begining will be B grade(hard to make in C1). So when people that play much are in B the others will be in C. After the first chronicle update casual players will have B and the Hardcore players will have A... than after next update top will be S. This will make server with more competition and PvP.

2. After every chronicle update new players will join because there will be new top items that no one have. The low level areas will be crowded too. This will make the server to grow after every update.

3. There will be no endgame because every update will add new things to do. So even if a player get bored and quit server, he can return when next update come and continue play with his character, leveling up and making new items.

This game can't survive if it's not updated periodically, NCsoft knew that and updated it every half year. I don't know why such private servers don't exist. Maybe the server developers don't know how to do it. Maybe its too hard to get bugless server files of those chronicles. I don't know.
What you think about that?



1. Players that play nolffe are nolifers. They play to prove they are best or sell adena/chars on specific server.

2. After few months new players wont join, because most of them are nolifers or server jumpers.
99% ot private server are run for donate. When they die, they close and usually wipe and reopen.

3. 99% of players which reached end-game quit, instead of enjoing pvp, thats why servers died.

Yes, this game can't survive. Since Lineage II official servers became free to play, players can expect endless game updates and endless items in l2 store and webshop.
The goal is one - money (Thats why most of the private servers are ran).
When players stop purchasing items from l2 store, ncsoft servers will simply die or become paid again.
Thats the game mechanic, thats how is this game created. Something like farmville on facebook. :)

Conclusion:
If you looking for population and want to play this game on serious servers, choose official aka botland.
If you dont like botland, choose private servers with long life like dexternet, raidfight, l2-country...
Everything else is just for 1-2 months, till nolifers and donators quit. :)
Enjoy your game.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:07 pm 
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I've seen this talk before and I remember the conclusion was that it's huge amount of work transfering the databases from one chronicle to another, and that nobody is willing to go through that job.

I would also like to play on such server, as much as I would like a server where it is impossible to open a second window, a server where behind every character is a real person.

l2 is less appealing to players year after year. Even big network servers nowdays lose 50% of players after the first hero period. If it wasn't for russians perhaps l2 would be dead. There is no clear successor to lineage 2 yet and that is what stops people from quiting for good.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:25 pm 
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Taygetus wrote:
I've seen this talk before and I remember the conclusion was that it's huge amount of work transfering the databases from one chronicle to another, and that nobody is willing to go through that job.


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I would also like to play on such server, as much as I would like a server where it is impossible to open a second window, a server where behind every character is a real person.


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l2 is less appealing to players year after year. Even big network servers nowdays lose 50% of players after the first hero period. If it wasn't for russians perhaps l2 would be dead.


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There is no clear successor to lineage 2 yet and that is what stops people from quiting for good.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:54 pm 
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these chronicle trasfers would destroy fun, some ppl would take as main mages in c4, and then would cry in c5 c6 when destro/archers pwn ass, then in hellbound kamaels op, and so on... just non stop reroll, that would kill server.
if many players reroll class in low rates in one chronicle, imagine what happen in changing chronicle...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:20 pm 
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more easy make server H5 or still GF but... x1 all rate. buffers like C4 for 23lvl max. no shadow items and no nevbi. no vit ant no pailaka kamaloka and moe things who help lvl up like quests dangeons... RB also can be from C4 i think where they was more stronger and just add nev bosses from last GF.
Lvl will be 85 or can be 90+i dont think what players from l2 like this cap max lvl of 80 or 85... why we must stop exp ? if we like so make limit to 100 lvl... no skills from 80 or 85 but just stats grow up. Items will be all full. just craft of drop. no nevbi shadow who destroy game and economic. More easy make server like this than changing chronicle from C4 to GF.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:28 pm 
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pfff......just go and reg for ESO Beta: PPPPPPP


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:38 pm 
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Sephirothrex wrote:
pfff......just go and reg for ESO Beta: PPPPPPP

ESO will be nothing like Lineage II. It's much more beneficial to make MMO where everyone feels like winner, rather than one where less than 1% of population can actually say that they are/were factor, which is the case of Lineage II.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:44 pm 
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Oh boy, L2 nostalgia :)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:24 am 
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Upgrading through the chronicles HAS been done, and CAN be done again! NO SERVER can keep a player base without progression in game. Frequent wipes is no option.

lineage2.ro started sometime early in 2008. Probably with HB, I don't know for sure. I joined in 2009, and the chronicle then was Gracia. I sticked to this server through Gracia Final, Epilogue and Freya, but jumped ship early in H5. That was 3 years of fun and new things to explore. We always knew that admin (bs) would upgrade short after official.

This server was x15, with some mods, I wouldn't call it retail-like. But it did NOT have GM-shop, and it did NOT have mammons in town. Also, it DID have autopickup! Once H5 was explored, and GM made it clear that an upgrade to GoD was very unlikely, gameplay halted, and players started to vanish. No surprise to me.

If the same was done again, I would certainly join! Start at HB, nice chronicle! Use a year in each chronicle, we who play L2 today don't have as much time on our hands as we did. Lower rates slightly, perhaps x10 or x7, and force players to do class quests and learn skills.

Anyone voting for this ???


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