Shrine does look promising. But Im never ever going to play on a server with UNLIMITED box amount. Thats absolutely Sparta, man.

98 99 % of servers dont have limit to boxes, so you will have bad time mate.

maybe high rates, but definitely not European (non-Russian) low rates.

if you talk about 100 200 online servers maybe, im talking about crowded servers.

Thats the very problem mate. The servers are "crowded" because they have unlimited/many boxes, not because there is more people online than on the 100-200 people servers. I wonder how many real people play on such servers.

actually there was admins posts in many servers about this, if its unlimited boxes, best formula to know real online is to divide it from 2 or 3 number, of announced or site showed online, for example lets say rpg has 15k at thier peak, i would say real online is 15000 / 2.5 = 6000~. still in this era of lineage 2, it is impressive to have that much online, since l2 died many times

6k is an impressive number...if it were true. Unlimited boxes means each player can have 4-5 or even more. You need more than just one type of buffer depending on your class/sub anyway; wc/pp for fighters and ee/se for mages. Now add sws, a bd and a spoiler and you end up with 5 boxes not counting your shops. Even players that are part of a clan or a cp prolly have have 2-3 toons logged just to check on raids/epics. Let's not kid ourselves, best case scenario it's max 3~3.5k real people on average.

ps Don't buy into that 'divide by 2 to find out what's the real online' crap they tell you. Every admin can give you a fairly accurate number if he wants to just by counting the unique IPs at any given time. There's a reason they are always vague when it comes to activity...

lol, first of all, not everyone have boxes.... for example i almost never use boxes, only for offline shops maybe.... and there is a lot of ppl who dont too. and my country players also not all use boxes, some parties have one buffer box at best, many cp dont box also, cause if its decent cp all thier classes are pro players etc. those 3-5 6 boxes players you talk about, are russians mostly, and rpg is not pure russians, it is one of those servers that community is half russians half other countries, just my country always have 3 4 big alliances.
second, have u ever played in rpg club after start? yeah since gracia 15x and 15k online, it went down no doubt, around 10k of counter on, but still 5 6 k is sick. have you tried to exp during start weeks or even month? in some zones u cant even find mob that is not hit by few players. 100+ party matchings whenever you try to find party. i also played in one of big zergs few starts ago, and in my side of ally was 450 people on command channel, while others had nearly 600 guys, and that was just 2 alliances.
divide by 2 or 3 rule works mate, ive tested many times that, there is real online counters for some server by programs, and it confirms that rule.

Dude stop dreaming, the majority on rpg is russians. It's not half and half. Maybe there are some people that only have only 1 box or even none (highy doubt it) but others have 6 or more. Counters are nothing but a tool used to attract people. That's why numbers are almost always grossly inflated. That 15k+ is bs. I told you, it's easy for admins to give a real estimate but it's not in their best interest to do so.
Even if a server launches with 4-5k real people, you know approximately 1/3 quits a couple of weeks later. Not that you would be able to tell the difference between 3.5k and 5k on launch (the amount of mobs in the starting villages is limited) but whatever. Playing on a overpopulated server is no fun either if you're not part of a no-life cp, but anyway.

don't fool yourself, the only RPG server that have been 50-50 were the first x5 and the x15 (the famous 15k population) because admins actually cared about the international community. All the others were like 90-10.

let's face it, there will never be a server like that one, or like Wrath in the good times.

That Shrine is just bullshit.
Dawn could be good if it wasn't for the lack of population. People there are all hyped for an Oren and Aden siege where there were 2-3 parties in each side (and surely people in those parties were boxes as well..).
Tomorrow's RPG is just going to be another RPG. Will start with around 7k, in 2 weeks 4k, in 2 months 2k (half bots and pray for reading something non Cyrillic).

agree on some points you made guys, but still, rpg is biggest online server with international community, maybe you forget that there will be polish, greek, romanian, czech, brazil ,lithuanian and even brazil alliances, who know how many cp from usa and other countries.

so server starts in 2 hours , anyone will go from here?

What server starts?

RPG GF, not worth it at all. It's a death server even before launching.

Ah I see. Anyway, can we get back on topic? This thread is not about RPG club, but about a roleplaying game server without boxes etc.