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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:21 pm 
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Two years ago i played Interlude 2x (XP/Adena/Quests). At the start there was like 900ppl. After one week quit like 50% ppl cause no adena for ports/shots/equip. Only a few ppl bother to make quests. At the and of day almost no1 played his char, just boxed destro pt on Fog and let his char sit and take XP. After 4 weeks server was empty. Don't know how it would be on GF chronicle.

I agree with GraciaFinal, almost all servers i played last years last years went that way.

I Don't know how you can keep community to play on some server ( I don't count RU way to pay top clan for siege...etc). Maybe you can make high customized server and changing skills regularly, but only minority like it. Or limit online time in the game (i mean something like limit 50hour a week, or what ever). There is lot of options to try :wink: .

Anyway, One of the server who last long is l2dawn, i think it is mainly thanks to GM activity (various GM quests, tournaments... ).


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:03 pm 
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Dudun wrote:
Two years ago i played Interlude 2x (XP/Adena/Quests). At the start there was like 900ppl. After one week quit like 50% ppl cause no adena for ports/shots/equip. Only a few ppl bother to make quests. At the and of day almost no1 played his char, just boxed destro pt on Fog and let his char sit and take XP. After 4 weeks server was empty. Don't know how it would be on GF chronicle.

I agree with GraciaFinal, almost all servers i played last years last years went that way.

I Don't know how you can keep community to play on some server ( I don't count RU way to pay top clan for siege...etc). Maybe you can make high customized server and changing skills regularly, but only minority like it. Or limit online time in the game (i mean something like limit 50hour a week, or what ever). There is lot of options to try :wink: .

Anyway, One of the server who last long is l2dawn, i think it is mainly thanks to GM activity (various GM quests, tournaments... ).


I know about what project you talking about. It was noname project which shady future and during it another server launcher with slightly higher rates. It made that project die fast. C6 is not suited to extremely low rate project (unless you are russian. Those guys were crazy and played x1 c6 server for like 8months+).

This is why I said GF/H5 projects. Free teleports up to lvl 41. Common items makes shots cheaper and it means that you will have money for teleports and so on. Even if it's really a problem, to make TPs 50% reduced price is peace of cake.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:34 am 
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Epilogue is a pvp oriented chronicle(the best), it is meant to be played with multiple buffs at your disposal and with some decent xp rates , in other words as mid/top rate.Why is epilogue the most pvp balanced ?
-improved skills enchantment over the previous chronicles.
-the equipment available( even if its over enchanted ) does not cause major unbalance between classes
-you can only have 1 atri per armor, that means you can't have all 6 atri at once like in freya+. From 6
available atri you will have to sacrifice 1 or even 2(draconic/major arcana) and you will be vulnerable to those elements, so its not easy mode like h5/freya.
-no rush/rush impact from warriors and some other totally misplaced skills


And by the way, aqdevas, i don't think epilogue is such an easy chronicle as you think, sure its easy to get most of the dynasty gear , but the top gear is hard to get ...some examples :
1.In interlude you have to farm in varka /ketra to get top gear or kill some easy raids
2.In h5 you can spoil full vesper items/BEWS/BEAS , you can get gear from quests , and top gear from grand bosses which are super easy to kill in this chronicle, not to mention that they are instances now!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:57 pm 
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origins wrote:
Epilogue is a pvp oriented chronicle(the best), it is meant to be played with multiple buffs at your disposal and with some decent xp rates , in other words as mid/top rate.Why is epilogue the most pvp balanced ?
-improved skills enchantment over the previous chronicles.
-the equipment available( even if its over enchanted ) does not cause major unbalance between classes
-you can only have 1 atri per armor, that means you can't have all 6 atri at once like in freya+. From 6
available atri you will have to sacrifice 1 or even 2(draconic/major arcana) and you will be vulnerable to those elements, so its not easy mode like h5/freya.
-no rush/rush impact from warriors and some other totally misplaced skills


And by the way, aqdevas, i don't think epilogue is such an easy chronicle as you think, sure its easy to get most of the dynasty gear , but the top gear is hard to get ...some examples :
1.In interlude you have to farm in varka /ketra to get top gear or kill some easy raids
2.In h5 you can spoil full vesper items/BEWS/BEAS , you can get gear from quests , and top gear from grand bosses which are super easy to kill in this chronicle, not to mention that they are instances now!


1. PVP in Epilogue is this: Take nuker, land vortex and use Slug to explode. That's it. Everything but tank will simply die from 2 skill combo because how attribute is unbalanced.
1.1. As solo player you can't farm S grade armor recipes cause a clan which holds position will take always raidbosses needed for quest, unless you make a deal with them.
1.2. There is no point to talk about spoiling because if you have spoiler, you easily survive in any chronicle. The point is that in Epilogue same as in H5 you are not that dependent on spoiling because of farming zones having good drops.

2. H5 thing. You probably missunderstood. Epilogue is quite focused on solo players since you can get Dynasty gear easily (ofc not as easy in H5 getting moirai+). The thing I like aout H5 is that even solo players has a room to play there and the biggest factor is Olympiad balance. As a solo player all you need is actually have a fort in any clan and buy some talismans. If you skilled enough you can compete even against oly farmers (ofc if your clas is capable doing it).

X1 H5 is my dream to play. Slow/steady grinding, gearing system allows even solo players have a gear to be a some factor. Because of rates even no lifers will have to play longer than 1 month since rates will not allow them to get top gear just in 4-6 weeks.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:04 am 
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1.That vortex+slug is not an epilogue thing, it is in lower gracia chronicles.Also keep in mind that in interlude
archer + nuker own all pvp , you can get 100% magic crit rate and crazy p atk/m atk with those augments.
1.1Top gear in interlude can also be A grade, i am sure you agree that dark crystal robe/tallum plate/maj plate and some other items give better stats than the S versions even if the overall p def is lowered.
1.2I was just pointing out that in H5 you can spoil full items ,bews and beas ,noble stones, gem s, cloaks ,life stones ,soul crystals ,element stones and most of them from the same mob.You can't do this in other chronicles , you really have to do hard work to get them ,also everyone can get tezza/freya because these raids are pushovers , that's why i say h5 is easy mode
2.You are right, epilogue allows solo players to get most of the recipes(some of them are still locked behind hellbound),but many key parts can only be farmed in delusion chamber , and i am sure no solo player
can handle that .The thing i like about the oly in h5 is that spoilers now have a fighting chance.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:04 am 
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origins wrote:
1.That vortex+slug is not an epilogue thing, it is in lower gracia chronicles.Also keep in mind that in interlude
archer + nuker own all pvp , you can get 100% magic crit rate and crazy p atk/m atk with those augments.
1.1Top gear in interlude can also be A grade, i am sure you agree that dark crystal robe/tallum plate/maj plate and some other items give better stats than the S versions even if the overall p def is lowered.
1.2I was just pointing out that in H5 you can spoil full items ,bews and beas ,noble stones, gem s, cloaks ,life stones ,soul crystals ,element stones and most of them from the same mob.You can't do this in other chronicles , you really have to do hard work to get them ,also everyone can get tezza/freya because these raids are pushovers , that's why i say h5 is easy mode
2.You are right, epilogue allows solo players to get most of the recipes(some of them are still locked behind hellbound),but many key parts can only be farmed in delusion chamber , and i am sure no solo player
can handle that .The thing i like about the oly in h5 is that spoilers now have a fighting chance.


Solo players can't handle spoiling full items on DV/Loa where best spoil comes out. The point is Epilogue is no good in pvp balance unless attributes will be heavily tweaked. This is why freya update had huge attribute system changes.

I wish there was x1/x2 H5 server this year, so I could finish playing L2 for last time.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:48 pm 
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There's no decent servers because it's simply not worth it. I've done L2Evoke in the past as some of you know, but I won't go through the hassle of doing it again. The server will be alive for 2 months max and then slowly start dying, because of 2 server sides, people getting bored, others not willing to stand against the 2 biggest clans/alliances, etc...

It's the way it is, the game is old and the left remaining community is just bad. If the community was 5 times bigger, then it would be worth, because there would be people leaving and new ones coming back, you wouldn't notice when a simple clan leave the server.

My 2 cents.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:03 pm 
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efegue wrote:
There's no decent servers because it's simply not worth it. I've done L2Evoke in the past as some of you know, but I won't go through the hassle of doing it again. The server will be alive for 2 months max and then slowly start dying, because of 2 server sides, people getting bored, others not willing to stand against the 2 biggest clans/alliances, etc...

It's the way it is, the game is old and the left remaining community is just bad. If the community was 5 times bigger, then it would be worth, because there would be people leaving and new ones coming back, you wouldn't notice when a simple clan leave the server.

My 2 cents.


Agree 100%. People think it is an easy thing to setup, run, and maintain a server / community but it is far from it, at least for a real server. So really why should anybody put in the effort when the community does not return it?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:43 pm 
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efegue wrote:
There's no decent servers because it's simply not worth it. I've done L2Evoke in the past as some of you know, but I won't go through the hassle of doing it again. The server will be alive for 2 months max and then slowly start dying, because of 2 server sides, people getting bored, others not willing to stand against the 2 biggest clans/alliances, etc...

It's the way it is, the game is old and the left remaining community is just bad. If the community was 5 times bigger, then it would be worth, because there would be people leaving and new ones coming back, you wouldn't notice when a simple clan leave the server.

My 2 cents.


Evoke was very good server. You did great job!!!
Just showing the players that server will keep going no matter what, making events and just BE THERE!!! Trust is the most important thing. That made the server last so long.

Now L2Dawn is doing the same thing... long lasting, with active GM, server for casual players!!

People that play just for competition will quit after 1-2 months no matter what you do.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:49 pm 
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problem is that those epiplogues/freya or h5 servers have so many vitalities, also all runes, cakes and many many more, even if server is x1 x3 it still will be x10 x15 with all vitalities.... thats why in future server must focus on c6 or gracia chronicles low rates, it makes servers live way longer, cause in c6 no comon items, no c b items in shop, need to earn everything with your skill and brain, not like in h5 u go all kama laba, use full vit, buy common items and boom u do subclass/nobles in 2 weeks...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:34 pm 
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GraciaFinal wrote:
problem is that those epiplogues/freya or h5 servers have so many vitalities, also all runes, cakes and many many more, even if server is x1 x3 it still will be x10 x15 with all vitalities.... thats why in future server must focus on c6 or gracia chronicles low rates, it makes servers live way longer, cause in c6 no comon items, no c b items in shop, need to earn everything with your skill and brain, not like in h5 u go all kama laba, use full vit, buy common items and boom u do subclass/nobles in 2 weeks...


You can always change it! Can't remember which RU project did that no matter hat lvl vitality you have, it will give only double xp and also nevit blessing was removed. I think asterios project did that.

Don't blade chronicle! Blame yourself for not thinking enough how to balance out donation/exp bonuses!

H5 server without vitality/nevit blessing at x1/x2 rates would be so perfect. Just need to think about donate system to have healthy money income to hold project as long as possible.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:41 am 
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aqdevas wrote:

H5 server without vitality/nevit blessing at x1/x2 rates would be so perfect. Just need to think about donate system to have healthy money income to hold project as long as possible.


There is no way a 1x 2x can survive,its almost a fact players prefer mid rates.Sad to say.
I think its safe to say that most servers only open for the money and don't have any interest in the community whatsoever. They simply milk money and at the same time slowly destroy the game make it unpleasant.
On the other hand , lets say a decent man opens a server for the players , he has to put something that impacts the game in the donation shop otherwise he wont even make money to keep server alive. If he puts only cosmetics in shop he wont have healthy income.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:18 am 
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origins wrote:
aqdevas wrote:

H5 server without vitality/nevit blessing at x1/x2 rates would be so perfect. Just need to think about donate system to have healthy money income to hold project as long as possible.


There is no way a 1x 2x can survive,its almost a fact players prefer mid rates.Sad to say.
I think its safe to say that most servers only open for the money and don't have any interest in the community whatsoever. They simply milk money and at the same time slowly destroy the game make it unpleasant.
On the other hand , lets say a decent man opens a server for the players , he has to put something that impacts the game in the donation shop otherwise he wont even make money to keep server alive. If he puts only cosmetics in shop he wont have healthy income.


no server can survive with only cosmetic donation.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:53 pm 
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aqdevas wrote:
GraciaFinal wrote:
problem is that those epiplogues/freya or h5 servers have so many vitalities, also all runes, cakes and many many more, even if server is x1 x3 it still will be x10 x15 with all vitalities.... thats why in future server must focus on c6 or gracia chronicles low rates, it makes servers live way longer, cause in c6 no comon items, no c b items in shop, need to earn everything with your skill and brain, not like in h5 u go all kama laba, use full vit, buy common items and boom u do subclass/nobles in 2 weeks...


You can always change it! Can't remember which RU project did that no matter hat lvl vitality you have, it will give only double xp and also nevit blessing was removed. I think asterios project did that.

Don't blade chronicle! Blame yourself for not thinking enough how to balance out donation/exp bonuses!

H5 server without vitality/nevit blessing at x1/x2 rates would be so perfect. Just need to think about donate system to have healthy money income to hold project as long as possible.


dont blame chronicle? dude do u even follow whats happening last 3 4 years? majority of servers were h5, low rates, but all fails, cause of things i noticed..... i blame chronicle, i blame it very hard, everything after gracia went down, everything. no matter if they lower vitalities or rates, it will be just more grind with stupid features. look what happens when some server announces c6 or gracia low rates, tons of ppl rushing to forums and trying to get thier friends, cause they and all of us want that. Okay you wil lsay that its boring in c6, destros rule pve, mages in pvp, but actually its boring in h5, cause for last 4 5 years there was only h5 servers , and its all the same, kama/laba, ct q for adena, kama/laba , few exp parties in toi/fog, and boom u are at end game after sub nobles. its boring. in c6 we had so much fun in low mid lvl, 20-40 lvl was so perfect, d c b crafting, 40-60 lvl for months.... we miss this and want that. if u dont believe that, just look what happens with l2eglobal now, they announced c6 x7 low rate, and imidiatelly ppl got interested, while russians releasing h5 every day and failing non stop.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:30 pm 
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GraciaFinal wrote:
believe that, just look what happens with l2eglobal now, they announced c6 x7 low rate, and imidiatelly ppl got interested, while russians releasing h5 every day and failing non stop.


please.... that project has over 90% russian population. russians was always crazy about c6.

stop talking non-sense here. the reason why e-global actually has some attention is that last good project was opened almost half year ago..

There was not a single international project (besides RPG) of c6/gf chronicle which had at start at least 3k online.

Remember dex c6 low rate server 2years ago? (if I am not wrong with date) what happened... Dex after 3-4 months told they will probably never launch another c6 server because of how GF/H5 is dominant a that moment.

The biggest problem is that international project all they have is decent files with terrible management. The only project which mostly could had bright future was L2citadel. Too bad that they dropped idea run GF/H5 project when I suggested it. Now the project (HB) is closed too. You are the ones who have all cards in your hands to make project successful. But your poor management destroyed all your projects! Not fking chronicle.. WHO STOPS YOU TAKE H5 CLIENT AND REMOVE EXP BONUSES, DISABLE INSTANCES AND SO ON. PEOPLE PLAYS H5 CAUSE IT HAS BEST PVP BELANCA EVER, ESPECIALLY OLYMPIAD.

P.S. for you my dear friend I will tell you small thing. That my most loved chronicle actually is c5! But since there is no project after Azuregaming holding it I had to stop dreaming about c5 server ever again! If l2classic were f2p I would play it too cause it would be closest to my loved c5.


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