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Author:  hemoragie [ Mon May 12, 2008 5:16 am ]
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just for fun i pvp(me with my OL lvl 79) an WC same lvl same gear(DC robe+am+acu+12,tat set jew all +6)from 13 pvp i lost 8 ... the ones i won i managed to silence him, on self buff only, this shows the difference betwen clases i easily killed archers,glads,destro,tyrants, just about any nukers except sps because he has high cast speed and keeps interupting my casting, but i have big problems wih tank and summoners, while wc kills nukers but have some problems with daggers and other damage dealers except glad which i think is the weaker class, tanks have a great disadvantage because the fukin WC has that chill flame curse or smt like that it practicaly eats all ur hp away ... i wonder if at oly WC is the best class which u can make points
Author:  Sekkurel [ Mon May 12, 2008 7:07 am ]
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ol rullez in oly
Author:  hemoragie [ Mon May 12, 2008 7:11 am ]
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very to the point :roll: :lol:
Author:  Sekkurel [ Mon May 12, 2008 7:19 am ]
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well i does
when you fight an ol in oly its like figthing a nuker with pp buffs and you without buffs
Author:  Icarus [ Mon May 12, 2008 6:15 pm ]
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I don't know why you lost. Ol should be over wc. Did you use victories of paagrio or your server is c5 or less?
Author:  hemoragie [ Mon May 12, 2008 6:22 pm ]
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its c5 oath of blood
Author:  redpill [ Mon May 12, 2008 6:44 pm ]
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in c5 u dont have victories, but still, ol is above wc in pvp, even in c4, coz of his seals an crapload of nukes. Imagine in oly, from an ol u can get nuked, stunned, sealed(rooted, poisoned, sleeped, slowed bla bla bla) and if that not enough he has very good buffs to, including VoP, debuff res (since IL) and if u hit him he just laughs coz he's got soul guard on, and he'll take hp back from u, the dmg u did in 3 hits he can take back in one drain :twisted:
Author:  redpill [ Mon May 12, 2008 6:45 pm ]
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sorry, i meant to say crapload of seals, sorry for double posting
Author:  hemoragie [ Mon May 12, 2008 6:45 pm ]
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what do u mean nuke?? ol just drains no?
Author:  redpill [ Mon May 12, 2008 7:18 pm ]
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yeah, i was gonna say seals, not nukes, sorry, but i already made the ajustment ;)
Author:  impositiomagnus [ Tue May 13, 2008 6:59 pm ]
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Summoner like me have big problem fighting Healer/Buffer class-*-.

WC and OL can also stun my Warlock while cast Dreaming Spirit on my Serviter.

and DOT magics' damage cannot be Transfer Pain too -*-.

Ouch.

One of my friend use an Augmented Staff: Driad Root -*-

ํYou should consider more on augmented stuffs, it really make PVP more fun.
Author:  PaaGRIO [ Thu May 15, 2008 4:55 pm ]
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WC hasn`t much debuffs but the DOT spells + aura sink realy do the job. Plus highest m.def of all races makes it realy hard for the OL to land seals. Proly the easiest thing to kill Ol is the WC :) .

+ first: WC`s aura sink has prety nice land rate and we all know OL with no mana = dead OL

+ second: WC`s freezing flame and poison have pretty nice land rate too so OLs m/p.def wont do alot againts that DOT curses. ( most OLs make a stupid mistake VS WCs - buffing rage of paagrio :) u all know it as berserker spirit )

+ third: we all know that WC drain is as good as the one OLs have so ...

So the best advise i can give is dont try to kill WC the mystic way. Get suspention IN and than use phisical DMG. Only 2 seals: suspention + silence thats all dont waste mana.
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Thu May 15, 2008 5:52 pm ]
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PaaGRIO wrote:
WC hasn`t much debuffs but the DOT spells + aura sink realy do the job. Plus highest m.def of all races makes it realy hard for the OL to land seals. Proly the easiest thing to kill Ol is the WC :) .

+ first: WC`s aura sink has prety nice land rate and we all know OL with no mana = dead OL

+ second: WC`s freezing flame and poison have pretty nice land rate too so OLs m/p.def wont do alot againts that DOT curses. ( most OLs make a stupid mistake VS WCs - buffing rage of paagrio :) u all know it as berserker spirit )

+ third: we all know that WC drain is as good as the one OLs have so ...

So the best advise i can give is dont try to kill WC the mystic way. Get suspention IN and than use phisical DMG. Only 2 seals: suspention + silence thats all dont waste mana.


:) pwnwtfmutafuka :D +1 as we all know paagrio says the last word when we talk about orx:D
Author:  razveck [ Mon May 19, 2008 8:17 pm ]
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yes, when it comes down to orcs, we all sit expecting a reply from paagrio xD

but cmon! i've defeated many WCs in oly. Its not that hard... Paagrio's strategy is good, but even if u dont do that, u can win. But one thing he surely said right: dont use zerk at the beggining. I say at the beginning, coz when ur CP is over, u will want to drain. Besides, OL has ~4k CP and WC not even 3k. Soooooooo, when the OL's CP is over (assuming they have similar damage outputs), the WC will be already at least with 70-80% HP, so u will want fast killing from now on. Ofc he will try to drain.
Now u must be smart. U can risk it all and buff zerk to try casting silence with higher land rate. But it may not land and now u will have less M.def through the whole fight. But if it lands...boy the points are urs. Unless u dont have mana, drain, drain, drain. Equip a set that gives u high M.atk (major arcana/NM + empower/M.power weapon) and drain him all the way down. But dont burn all ur mana, leave at least ~300. Now hit him with soul cry and hes out!
Author:  KentZ0ne [ Mon May 19, 2008 9:02 pm ]
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PaaGRIO wrote:
WC hasn`t much debuffs but the DOT spells + aura sink realy do the job. Plus highest m.def of all races makes it realy hard for the OL to land seals. Proly the easiest thing to kill Ol is the WC :) .


OL have the same m. def.

You're right about aura sink. aura sink have a higher base chance than seal of gloom w/ about 20%.
But not to mention , even if it's c5 and OL doesn't have things like VoP , Flames Of Invincibility , Pa'agrio's Fist and Seal of Blockade , OL still have Empower 3 , Zerk and Arcane Power.

So w/ higher m. atk then WC's you will land seals more effectively.

As razveck sayed OL's CP = 1.5*WC's CP .
OL's hearth of paagrio > WC's chant of life
And WC doesn't have Ritual of Life.

And you forgot about Seal Of Flame , Seal Of Poison those Damage Over Time spells OL posseses too.
Not to mention about Seal of Scourge wich i found it really usefull.

The problem is as always : mana
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