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Author:  Cookie [ Wed May 07, 2008 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Soultaker vs Archmage in Hellbound (Let's laugh a bit :p )
So, the GM of the server that i play claims that he with ST can 100% kill archmage with equal buffs and equipment ( at oly too).He claims also that necro is best for pve.

Here is a screenshot that i made: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9526 ... 000gw1.jpg

Please comment.
Author:  SoulBlade [ Wed May 07, 2008 10:08 pm ]
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Autopick up server? Then everything is clear...
Author:  Cookie [ Wed May 07, 2008 10:18 pm ]
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talking bout offi
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Wed May 07, 2008 10:19 pm ]
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now with equal..hmm yes necro has pretty nice chances but.. dont forget the unholy resistance and all other shit with dark resistance(there are 3-4 buffs i dont remember atm all of them but song of invocation stands there and arcane protection too) necro sux hard.. and also your fire vortex lowers his cast spd..yes yes mass mage bane+curse of abyss...they are casted at LOWER range so while he gets to u and he can curse u he has lower c spd+u can use buster(fire vortex buster) and u have arcane roar and count of fire+cancelation
vs your power stand his necromancy(increases his matk),day of doom(but its only in limmited area of effect) and gehenna-i donno what this shi7 is cuz its not working in all private servs atm but i found the description of the skill "Consecutive strikes inflict a great amount of dark damage. You cannot move while casting the magic, and additional MP is consumed every time the effect is produced. Level 3 or higher Spell Force required. Consumes 1 Magic Symbol." -wo0 lvl 3 spellforce:D while only VOLCANO requires spellforce+i think this spell is slow casted and after that u r imoblizide or smth like that.. but there are also silence and curse of doom :)with fullbuffs they are casted with nice c spd but.. well if u cast ur fire vortex his cast spd is gona be so0 slow.. and u will be able to interrupt him.
Conclusion(i wrote this correct?)-my opinion is that since t1 necros are nerfed in theyr offensive magical abilityes and are grandet with great debuffing potential:)for me the Archmage has better chances in 1v1 buffed pvp vs ST..but your GM is absolutely retarded cuz all l2 players know that there is nothing 100% sure except 100% crafting recipes and summoning:D
Author:  Icarus [ Thu May 08, 2008 3:33 pm ]
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Since ct1, there are... 4 buffs: unholy resistance, divine protection, song of invocation, dance of alignment. I don't know, but i think one of them slipped from me.

In 1v1 full buffed, face it... The necro has poor chances of landing those debuffs, those mental resist buffs really say their words. And so do the unholy resist buffs, there is one more buff in plus for unholy resistance than for elemental resistance.
Author:  huggybear [ Thu May 08, 2008 3:54 pm ]
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guys get a GRIP!

Ur saying there r 4 buff for dark resistance.
I supposed you know a lot of ppl walking around with all 4 buffs eh?

Face it, self buffed archmage VS soultaker is a pointless pvp
soultaker will ALWAYS win. (propably wihout losing a single point of his HP)

So dont say that there 4 anti dark buffs. In official you never going to have them all 4. You can have unhloy resistance when u exp i agree but know that.

Unholy resistance has lower power than fire/wind/water resistance just to know.

Also a ST may have fire resistance/elemental protection and the song of flame guard. Arhamage will hit for 500dmg max

Lets say archmage with all 4 buffs of dark resistance. Let me pick 4 buffs for necro too, so it can be honest pvp...

hmmm... Acumen/resist fire or elemental protection/dance of mystic/empower

I realy dont think that archamage can resist silence(95% landing btw)/anchor/curse of doom/curse of abyss and more more debuffs

You also forget smthing about necro: he has dark vortex(drain)/vampiric claw(drain)/ds/silence/gloom/cod/coa and dont forget a pet with 2k p.attack and transfer pain which is just too overpowerd while archmage has fire vortex/prominence/resist to fire and an aura thats lower the m.attack of the user.
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Thu May 08, 2008 4:57 pm ]
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man.. dont talk bullshit...the topic says FULL BUFFS!ANd dont say when u want to go to pvp u dont have full buffs....WITH GOOD JEWELS THOSE CURSES WILL LAND ALMOST NIVAH!!!AND I SAYD VORTEX OF FIRE LOWER UR CAST SPD...till u go in range to use abyss and mage bane u will get pawned... no way man...go play stupid l2j srvs..while i was writing my pevious post i had 2 more windows open-1 with archamage skills(lineage2.com) and 2 soultaker sills(same lineage2.com)!!the archamage has more attacking skils..i dont see there something lie dark vortex buster or dark vortex slug..day of doom if imnot mistakin is the coolest skill at 3rd class but it works only in close range-means if ur oponent goes out of the AOE of the curse..lol u r pawned..lets see u go to him while u try to silence u get vortex(now ur cspd sux) ur silence doesnt land cuz of low chance+good jewels of ur oponent..and in next secnod the fire vortex buster "explodes" and u get even more dmg..now u try to land dark vortex and while u SLOWLY cast it cuz of fire vortex u may get cancel..or interrupted by the faster casts of the sorceror..if ur silence lands.. well u win!but if it does not.. to nearest village
Author:  Icarus [ Thu May 08, 2008 8:09 pm ]
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huggybear wrote:
guys get a GRIP!

Ur saying there r 4 buff for dark resistance.
I supposed you know a lot of ppl walking around with all 4 buffs eh?

Face it, self buffed archmage VS soultaker is a pointless pvp
soultaker will ALWAYS win. (propably wihout losing a single point of his HP)

So dont say that there 4 anti dark buffs. In official you never going to have them all 4. You can have unhloy resistance when u exp i agree but know that.

Unholy resistance has lower power than fire/wind/water resistance just to know.

Also a ST may have fire resistance/elemental protection and the song of flame guard. Arhamage will hit for 500dmg max

Lets say archmage with all 4 buffs of dark resistance. Let me pick 4 buffs for necro too, so it can be honest pvp...

hmmm... Acumen/resist fire or elemental protection/dance of mystic/empower

I realy dont think that archamage can resist silence(95% landing btw)/anchor/curse of doom/curse of abyss and more more debuffs

You also forget smthing about necro: he has dark vortex(drain)/vampiric claw(drain)/ds/silence/gloom/cod/coa and dont forget a pet with 2k p.attack and transfer pain which is just too overpowerd while archmage has fire vortex/prominence/resist to fire and an aura thats lower the m.attack of the user.

Dude get out of this forum and come back when silence will have a 95% land rate. It has a 80% BASE land rate, which means that with mental shield things get fucked up.
Give me a fucking break about unholy resistance okay? You're so dumb, you didn't notice: that's the buff in plus, what the fuck are you supposed to compare it with? Get your freaking facts straight. In self buff st will always win? You are really forgetting about cancel aren't you?
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Thu May 08, 2008 8:36 pm ]
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ahh this is just NECRO-GOD-SYNDROME... even atm at 99.9% l2j servs necro owns everything on its way..
Author:  huggybear [ Thu May 08, 2008 8:44 pm ]
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`official franz server`
just try it with mine 77 lvl archmage against a 77 lvl ST all same equip
(som acumen +3/dc set)

77 archmage with unholy resistance and majestic set +3: ST hits me for 696 dmg

77 ST with fire resistance and majestic set +3 WITH transfer pain: i hit for 243 dmg


Fire vortex success: 6/10
Dark xortex success: 5/10

Silence: 7/10
curse of doom: 7/10
anchor: 2/10

10 pvps with self buffed i got pwned 10 times

I just couldnt hit him. i fire vortexed him, my slow landed and i used cansel. While i was trying to kill his pet he just silence/cod me

If you got straight to kill the ST you simply dont have a chanse beacause of the overpowred tranfer pain.

His pet has 2k p attack stun and backstab so its quite difficult to do anything


5 pvp with my friend's tatte set pwned him 4 times.

*edit* i cant try to pvp with all 4 resistance buff but if the ST has the fire resistance buffs too it will be the same result
unholy reistance has lower power than fire/wind/water resistance buff :roll:

btw i play archamge since l2 c5 on official. i hate necros but i dont lie to myself saying that archamge is the ruller of pvp cause he's not.


btw dudes try to speak like civilazed ppl fgs its a conversation :?
Author:  huggybear [ Thu May 08, 2008 8:50 pm ]
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Icarus wrote:
huggybear wrote:
guys get a GRIP!

Ur saying there r 4 buff for dark resistance.
I supposed you know a lot of ppl walking around with all 4 buffs eh?

Face it, self buffed archmage VS soultaker is a pointless pvp
soultaker will ALWAYS win. (propably wihout losing a single point of his HP)

So dont say that there 4 anti dark buffs. In official you never going to have them all 4. You can have unhloy resistance when u exp i agree but know that.

Unholy resistance has lower power than fire/wind/water resistance just to know.

Also a ST may have fire resistance/elemental protection and the song of flame guard. Arhamage will hit for 500dmg max

Lets say archmage with all 4 buffs of dark resistance. Let me pick 4 buffs for necro too, so it can be honest pvp...

hmmm... Acumen/resist fire or elemental protection/dance of mystic/empower

I realy dont think that archamage can resist silence(95% landing btw)/anchor/curse of doom/curse of abyss and more more debuffs

You also forget smthing about necro: he has dark vortex(drain)/vampiric claw(drain)/ds/silence/gloom/cod/coa and dont forget a pet with 2k p.attack and transfer pain which is just too overpowerd while archmage has fire vortex/prominence/resist to fire and an aura thats lower the m.attack of the user.

Dude get out of this forum and come back when silence will have a 95% land rate. It has a 80% BASE land rate, which means that with mental shield things get fucked up.
Give me a fucking break about unholy resistance okay? You're so dumb, you didn't notice: that's the buff in plus, what the fuck are you supposed to compare it with? Get your freaking facts straight. In self buff st will always win? You are really forgetting about cancel aren't you?



you will cast cansel while on self buff? for what? to cansel his lvl3 con? good fight :shock:
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Thu May 08, 2008 8:56 pm ]
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oh cmon in same equipment the necro will never pwn...and the topic says with BUFFS!ffs...
Author:  huggybear [ Thu May 08, 2008 9:05 pm ]
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have u ever try to pvp a necro? plz tell me how you kill him just beacause im curious. Lets say self buffed cause with full buff things get complicated a bit.

78 lvl archmage dc+som+majestic set vs 78 lvl ST same equip (with the pet)

i would love to see your strategy when his pet will stun/backstab you while necro nukes you or coming at u, and if you change your target to pet, necro will come closer and use anchor/ silence/cod/coa or fear. I supposed you can cast fear on his pet but it may be to late and the necro is quite close to cast curses (target pet/cast fear/target necro/use skill)

All Elementalists get a 79 Nuke. It also wipes out their vortex so after the Necro tanks their Vortex/Buster they will have wiped out their Vortex debuff which reduces Cast/Run Speed.
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Thu May 08, 2008 9:20 pm ]
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oh man dont start it again.. i posted my strategy.. well the info about the summon lacks but.. cmon u lost pvp with ur jewels set.. when u used better 1 u pwned him.. and why the fuck u dont kill that summon?!2k hp?!wtf?!fire vortex+buster=he is pawned..count of fire.. close ranged gyus are pwned.. good jewels=high curse resistance..

here he comes..this is maybe noob strategy but :
u vortex him.. he has low spd low cast spd.. if he trys to curse u just hit him couple of times.. the summon comes close to u..well u start him(if ur vortex is not reused..normal skills aura flare is fast casted with nice cooldown anda nice dmg) vortex+buster summon is blown away.. now u start pwnin the necro..
everything depends on luck..
non buffed pvp=pvp for mch or curse landin..
topic says fullbuffed-necro pawned..
Author:  huggybear [ Thu May 08, 2008 9:30 pm ]
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anyway i still believe that necro is very good in pvp especially against a sorc. I have feeled that way cause i have pvped with all types of classes. Necro is realy good char. The difficulty is that when facing a necro actually u have to kill 2! necro and his pet. If u try to vortex/buster the pet i agree that the pet is gone for sure but while doing this nero is close to cast curses. He has just to many curses. One of them is going to land!

Also In official is very difficult to have tatte set but its going to be my next goal :(

all you want to see about sorc and necro is here. it's a vary good theard and its worth to read it

http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php ... art=1&vc=1

cya guys hf :D
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