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Author:  Anima [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:09 pm ]
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Well guys, im soon starting to a new server, and I wanted to do this time a summoner. However I readed here lot of PS but also lot of WK, and it's seems there is no clear winner in this, so I'd like to the pple that know about them, what diferences they have between them, tell me why one is better than the other, and some other usefull information. Thanks in advance
Author:  Icarus [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:25 pm ]
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Well warlock is advantages by ncsoft assholes. :) Ps is a regular summoner, equally matched to a warlock till lvl 75. From lvl 76, ncsoft said come on, let's make the warlock IMBA, soooo es gets warrior bane, ps gets mage bane, so, goes without saying, warlock gets both. For this, he doesn't get focus skill mastery, and his summon is rather awful for pve, because it needs permanent taking care of.

I like the phantom summoner though, because he has spark cubic which stuns the enemy, and the fire rate of that cubic is way higher than the warlock's binding cubic. His summons are somewhat directed for pve, some of them have a vampyric attack. And assassin servitor gives some more vr. The bright side is that assassin servitor doesn't decrese speed, like other buffs. That's why spectral lord can be an efficient chaser.
Author:  Anima [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:26 pm ]
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Mmm i see, thanks, however in PVP/MASS PVP/SIEGES, WL is better no?
I tried both of them in a pvp server, and full buffed the spectral of PS had 700 mdef, when the feline had nearly 2k m.def. Feline had the same patack than spectral, mroe speed, and a little less atk speed.

Could you tell me the best stuff for WL, dyes, and PVP plays style, like debuffer/fighter ? I saw many of them in this forum, but everyone says a diferent thing, and I saw you know so much about summons, so if you could put the things clear i'd be rlly happy. thanks.

PS In a 10x retail like server, l2off with full geodata and most of bugs solved.
Author:  Icarus [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:02 pm ]
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Anima wrote:
Mmm i see, thanks, however in PVP/MASS PVP/SIEGES, WL is better no?
I tried both of them in a pvp server, and full buffed the spectral of PS had 700 mdef, when the feline had nearly 2k m.def. Feline had the same patack than spectral, mroe speed, and a little less atk speed.

Could you tell me the best stuff for WL, dyes, and PVP plays style, like debuffer/fighter ? I saw many of them in this forum, but everyone says a diferent thing, and I saw you know so much about summons, so if you could put the things clear i'd be rlly happy. thanks.

PS In a 10x retail like server, l2off with full geodata and most of bugs solved.

No, that server was shitty. The stats of the summons are EXACTLY the same. Only skills differ.

For mass pvp/siege/etc the best summoner is the es. One of the unicorns (can't remember which) has a heavy aoe skill.

For wk i would got for these things: maj light set or arcana robe set. If you can't afford arcana, mj robe is a good choice too.

Don't attempt to wear heavy armor, because your cast speed will be affected, and the pdef gained will be very low versus a light set. You don't have heavy armor mastery, only robe and light.

As a weapon, i'd go for anything with acumen if you plan to stay put and let the summon do its job. Or, i would recommend a dual sword, though i have to admit i use double handed swords on all summoners. I use double handed sword with health, because it's a necesity.

PLAYSTYLE:
Well, you have 2 options in a pvp. Either participate to the combat, along with your summon, either sit back and take extensive care of the summon. I'd recommend you to stay back and debuff your enemy until he goes mad. Don't just take care of the summon, you NEED to debuff the enemy for the cubics to activate.

Advices for oly. I'd reaaally recommend you to stay back because you will be VERY fragile unbuffed. A pro player will ignore the summon and come after you. Even with transfer pain, you need to avoid getting shot at. Stay in 600 range to the summon, so you can heal it.
Author:  adriano7 [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:09 pm ]
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ElementalSummoner 8) .
Author:  Anima [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:30 pm ]
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MMm thanks a lot, and about C/B grd stuff ?? and you forgot dyes.
Also a question, do summoners suffer a with mana ?
If you had to choose an alternative char to dualbox with it, which one would you open ? PPH/WC/OL/BD/SWS ... ?? for purpose to exp/pvp., but more priority in PVP.

To trigger cubics, what's better, put wind strike in F1 and spam enemy with it ? or just debuffing him? or what strategy would you use ?
Is it possible to enchant a summon with bofg ? what they gain ?? is it a great diference between +0 ?

Thx a lot man, really thx
Author:  Icarus [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:27 pm ]
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At c-grade you can help your summon if you want, it's still efficient. Karmian set or plated leather set with some spirit*spirit.

Ah yes, dyes, +5 con -5 str, +4 wit -4 int.

A warlock won't really have mana problems, it's just that he's not the type of summoner that sits and relaxes while his summon berserkes everything nearby, and ocasionally getting up to heal once. Warlock is the type of summoner that gives extra attention to his cat, just like the es.

For dualbox, pve i'd go for wc, but pvp i'd go for sws, or bd, with an emphasis on bd, because summon critical is low, so song of hunter won't do really good, and hp isn't needed, so bb song of vitality. Instead, dance of inspiration, fury and especially warrior really do nice.

Summoners can't enchant their summons. Only necro and DA can.
Author:  Serenity [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:36 pm ]
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<3 Phantom summoners...if you can stand the *bleeding* noise from the penalty when you summon higher lvl servitors..oh!...ah! ...ix! oh!....ax!......ix!..a!......oh!.....oh!.....a!a!q!...
Author:  sami [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:08 pm ]
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<3 PS too (always sounds off,mp3 ON)
what icarus forgot: for b gr BW light, valhala+acum/aoba +hp, about dyes.. i dont think that 1 con is better than 4 men so -4/5str +4 con -8 int +4wit +4men. u dont need int cuz debuffs land well, and against mages +4 men (+some men frome bw light) with BO jewels (maibe with some + too) your m def gets rlly high...
using nukes to trigger cubics drains rlly much mp, bow is slow, but keeps you in safe distance if your enemy atacks your summon instead of you. anyway dunno about this yet.
Oke. if i remember good summoners can enchant their summons! but dont want to say wrong so if this info isnt right plx fix me.
AND i want to know YOUR opinions about using weapons +magic paralyze/chaos etc etc... cuz i think they were made especially for summoners! thnq for your time. GL
Author:  Icarus [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:23 pm ]
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Ah yes, forgot to add: don't drop too much int. You guys say you don't need it, but guess what, debuffs are based on int too. 4 men isn't much for mdef.

And i'd use a magic paralyse weapon too, because you can spam wind strike and other debuffs. An elemental sword paralise has 5% chance to paralyse, so a medium of 20 bad spells will paralyse the target. Less if you get a bit lucky.
Author:  atlant448 [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:46 pm ]
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dont forget that the men will increase your curse resist
Author:  Anima [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:53 pm ]
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Ok guys really thanks to you help, but here i got a thing to ask you cuz i see you knwo what u talk about, not like some nuubs that talk a lot and they don't know xDD

If you had to choose between PS and WK, what would you choose ?? Why would you choose him ? and why not the other ?
I'll really apreciate your help guys... please justify your choose well if you can. Thanks in advance guys.

PD. It should be for a retail like 10x server, so don't think i can allways be full buffed, and top stuffed... thx :)
Author:  mystiq [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:52 pm ]
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warlock. higher casting speed, more mana, better skills, 'arcana lord' sounds better then 'spectral mster' ;p
Author:  GoDs3nD [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:27 pm ]
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id go for tallum light for pve so u can help ur summon with dualswords/bow or robe(mj i think is very good) and mana up/acumen weapon:} thats what i think.YE NO DOUBHT NC SOFT HATES PS:D but the spark cubic has higher attack rate and his summons(shadow) has vamp and DEs just look great:D
mystiq is noob imo... spectral master sounds bad... buhahah arcana lord ...lord of the toilette!
Author:  sami [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:55 pm ]
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I had to choose and ive chosen ps. Warlock is good for summon ww, both banes. I love shadows vr passive, assassin serwitor is cool and cubics are great.. Ive chosen it cuz of those things i alredy mentioned, and for oly, cuz there arent many ps at my srw. Hope to become hero! lol. Too bad d elves arent able to choose elves as sub, so no posibilities to kick your enemy assess with sps ;/ think about that. Gl
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