1 - shock tipe atk - lands stun
2 - abnormal mental atk - cancel target
3 - shock/abnormal mental state attack - stun lands and the target is canceled
Bluff = shock/abnormal mental state attack
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| Author: | Vorlzeanmort [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Question about Bluff.... |
I'm wondering what kind of mental attack Bluff is? I know bluff has 3 effect : 1. shock 2. cancel target 3. turn the body at first I believe Bluff is kind of shock attack, but then I realized that I totally wrong... My GH has +9 Bluff but it never or rarely work when I bluffed someone with Mental Shield buff... But when I bluffed someone with Resist Shock buff it still work fine... This is my report when I tried to Bluff someone with various buff : 1. [Without Buff] - 18/20 - Cancel Target and Turn Body + 17/20 - Shock State 2. [Resist Shock] - 16/20 - Cancel Target and Turn Body + 10/20 - Shock State 3. [Mental Shield] - 0/20 - Cancel Target and Turn Body + 0/20 - Shock State My Bluff is +9 and I wear Territory Jewel Gludio and Goddard (+30% shock attack in total) when performed test above... I Play at the official server in Indonesia with 3x Exp / 5x Drop rate... Currently at Gracia Epilogue (Gracia Plus)... Can someone tell me what kind of Mental Attack Bluff is? Thanks for answering or give the opinion about this... Note : Sorry for my Bad English... |
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| Author: | Shaddow [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
1 - shock tipe atk - lands stun 2 - abnormal mental atk - cancel target 3 - shock/abnormal mental state attack - stun lands and the target is canceled Bluff = shock/abnormal mental state attack
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| Author: | Lhyno [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
it's stun land rate based on CON/target level/skill level/stun and debuff resistance buff base land r: 50% |
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| Author: | Shaddow [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
Lhyno wrote: it's stun land rate based on CON/target level/skill level/stun and debuff resistance buff base land r: 50% According to what info is stun? Any profs ? Bluff = Tricks the enemy to show its back.(Mental) Removes the enemy's desire to attack and cancels one's own target status.( Abnormal /Mental again ) Instantly stuns the enemy.(Abnormal/Shock). Requires a dagger. Mental Shield = Temporarily increases resistance to Hold, Sleep, Fear, and Mental attacks. Read the main post . With Menthal Shield he failed to land Bluff . Not the same thing happend with Rezist Shock no ? But I can bet that with Zaken Earring or/and with Antharas he will land Bluff 99% because both gives Shock and Abnormal Mental State atk bonus. |
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| Author: | Lhyno [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
i just assume it, since the resistance is based on con and con does not increase mental resistance there might be tricks behind it, but this seems logical to me |
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| Author: | NoFreaksAllowed [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
its stun... mofos |
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| Author: | MustLoveL2 [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
Shaddow wrote: Bluff = Tricks the enemy to show its back.(Mental) Removes the enemy's desire to attack and cancels one's own target status.( Abnormal /Mental again ) Instantly stuns the enemy.(Abnormal/Shock). Requires a dagger. this is correct... ffs get your facts straight before shit-talking tards... |
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| Author: | Vorlzeanmort [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
At first I think that is shock attack but I'm totally wrong... If u don't believe it, just try it urself... Bluff someone with Mental Shield buff and Resist Shock buff... U'll realize that Bluff isn't shock attack... Even I using jewel with full shock attack attribute it still 95% failed to Bluff someone with Mental Shield buff.... No turn body, no stun and no cancel target at all.... [Gracia Epilogue - Official Server] So I'm wondering what kind of Mental Attack Bluff is? And what kind of jewel which Increasing the Mental Attack except Zaken/Antharas and Olympiad Earring? With Mental Shield buff it makes ability Bluff likes useless even it comes with high OE skill.... I think NCSoft must fixed this.... |
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| Author: | Vitezkoja [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
Xexe... This is quite intresting question! Here is how Bluff works: Its Single Target Abnormal/Trigger SHOCK skill that have 20% chance to suceed. If Bluff Succed your oponent is turned you back and its stuned (stun duration depends on targets CON , HITS MADED TO TARGET, and shock/mental state resistance. Basicaly bluff is Skill that have Trigger chain. That means If u Stun your target , your target have canceled target , and have his/her back turned to you. If u DONT stun the target the target WONT turn u back and wont lose target. Sometimes u will think that when u used bluff your oponent yust got turned but not stuned, the fact is that The oponent got stuned on a VERY short time. So after all this bluff is a SHOCK/STUN attack that have 80-100% abnormal state Trigger that comes AFTEr stun. Owerall sucess rate depends on shock resistance, Target/Skill/Skill Enchant/COn Level. ANYWAY! Daggers are now RLY STRONG Without Bluff Bluff comes like Lucky/Lethal Strike. Because its VERY rare that 4-9 sec BACK turned target on Focuss Death Survive:)Thats my thinking. Maybe i am Wrong? Maybe NOt ! |
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| Author: | Vorlzeanmort [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
Vitezkoja wrote: Xexe... This is quite intresting question! Here is how Bluff works: Its Single Target Abnormal/Trigger SHOCK skill that have 20% chance to suceed. If Bluff Succed your oponent is turned you back and its stuned (stun duration depends on targets CON , HITS MADED TO TARGET, and shock/mental state resistance. Basicaly bluff is Skill that have Trigger chain. That means If u Stun your target , your target have canceled target , and have his/her back turned to you. If u DONT stun the target the target WONT turn u back and wont lose target. Sometimes u will think that when u used bluff your oponent yust got turned but not stuned, the fact is that The oponent got stuned on a VERY short time. So after all this bluff is a SHOCK/STUN attack that have 80-100% abnormal state Trigger that comes AFTEr stun. Owerall sucess rate depends on shock resistance, Target/Skill/Skill Enchant/COn Level. ANYWAY! Daggers are now RLY STRONG Without Bluff Bluff comes like Lucky/Lethal Strike. Because its VERY rare that 4-9 sec BACK turned target on Focuss Death Survive:)Thats my thinking. Maybe i am Wrong? Maybe NOt ! I think u're wrong guys... I always activated the system dialog that will show u if skill is success or not... When I bluffed someone : 1. Stun + Cancel Target + Show its back The message system will tell u "You used Bluff ability" it means u land ur bluff... 2. Only Stun The message system will tell u "You used Bluff ability" it means u land ur bluff even it's not make it cancel target or show its back... 3. Cancel Target + Show its back The message system will tell u "You used Bluff ability" "SOMEONE deflect the Bluff attack" it means u failed to make ur target stun even its still cancel target and make it show its back... 4. Nothing happens The message system will tell u "You used Bluff ability" "SOMEONE deflect the Bluff attack" it means ur target is totally deflect ur bluff According to this research, I think ur opinion about stunning in VERY short time isn't right because the message system will tell that ur bluff is land whenever u success to stun the enemy otherwise it will tell u that ur target is deflect it... And cancel target isn't causing by stun likes Archer's Stunning Shot... It always come whenever ur target show its back... And please read my report when I bluffed someone in various buff at main post... I failed to land bluff up to 95% to the target which have Mental Shield buff... but I still can land my bluff pretty nice to the target which have Resist Shock... CMIIW... Sorry for my bad english... |
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| Author: | MustLoveL2 [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
Vorlzeanmort wrote: ... don't listen to viteskoja he himself is probably the most retarded clueless person alive on the earth...i felt like getting kicked in the fucking face by a horse after i read his post... and here is where diego vargas enters: Mental Attack (Derangement): Silence (Shield Slam, Silence, Heroic Grandeur, Voice Bind, Curse of Doom, Song of Silence, etc) Fear (Fear, Horror, Hell Scream, Dread Pool, Mass Fear, Heroic Dread, Curse:Fear, Sword Symphony, etc) Target Breaking Effects (Switch, Trick, Mirage, Bluff (target spin/break), Blinding Blow (target spin/break) etc) Misc: Arcane Chaos, Seal of Mirage so yes bluff has a target breaking effect which is considered a mental attack effect and can have a reduced effect by using mental shield...it also has the stun effect that is reduced by all the shit for more stun resist...it's both mental and stun attack... |
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| Author: | Lhyno [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
MustLoveL2 wrote: Vorlzeanmort wrote: ... don't listen to viteskoja he himself is probably the most retarded clueless person alive on the earth...i felt like getting kicked in the fucking face by a horse after i read his post... and here is where diego vargas enters: Mental Attack (Derangement): Silence (Shield Slam, Silence, Heroic Grandeur, Voice Bind, Curse of Doom, Song of Silence, etc) Fear (Fear, Horror, Hell Scream, Dread Pool, Mass Fear, Heroic Dread, Curse:Fear, Sword Symphony, etc) Target Breaking Effects (Switch, Trick, Mirage, Bluff (target spin/break), Blinding Blow (target spin/break) etc) Misc: Arcane Chaos, Seal of Mirage so yes bluff has a target breaking effect which is considered a mental attack effect and can have a reduced effect by using mental shield...it also has the stun effect that is reduced by all the shit for more stun resist...it's both mental and stun attack... aaaaand what's the land rate of the target cancellation? i'm curious about that then:) the stun land rate sucks anyway |
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| Author: | Vitezkoja [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
MustLoveL2 wrote: Vorlzeanmort wrote: ... don't listen to viteskoja he himself is probably the most retarded clueless person alive on the earth...i felt like getting kicked in the fucking face by a horse after i read his post... and here is where diego vargas enters: Mental Attack (Derangement): Silence (Shield Slam, Silence, Heroic Grandeur, Voice Bind, Curse of Doom, Song of Silence, etc) Fear (Fear, Horror, Hell Scream, Dread Pool, Mass Fear, Heroic Dread, Curse:Fear, Sword Symphony, etc) Target Breaking Effects (Switch, Trick, Mirage, Bluff (target spin/break), Blinding Blow (target spin/break) etc) Misc: Arcane Chaos, Seal of Mirage so yes bluff has a target breaking effect which is considered a mental attack effect and can have a reduced effect by using mental shield...it also has the stun effect that is reduced by all the shit for more stun resist...it's both mental and stun attack... What could u expect from a german......... Btw i think land rate is about 20-30%.... |
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| Author: | Vorlzeanmort [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
MustLoveL2 wrote: Mental Attack (Derangement): Silence (Shield Slam, Silence, Heroic Grandeur, Voice Bind, Curse of Doom, Song of Silence, etc) Fear (Fear, Horror, Hell Scream, Dread Pool, Mass Fear, Heroic Dread, Curse:Fear, Sword Symphony, etc) Target Breaking Effects (Switch, Trick, Mirage, Bluff (target spin/break), Blinding Blow (target spin/break) etc) Misc: Arcane Chaos, Seal of Mirage so yes bluff has a target breaking effect which is considered a mental attack effect and can have a reduced effect by using mental shield...it also has the stun effect that is reduced by all the shit for more stun resist...it's both mental and stun attack... Thanks for info...  help me a lot.... but now I'm curious what kind of jewel which can increase bluff land rate? (except Zaken/Antharas and Olympiad Earring) I want to boost its land rate... just like I said before... I think this skill likes useless when the target have Mental Shield buff on it even in high OE skill... Without jewel which can boost the land rate I think it is very very crap skills... NCSoft must fixed it... I means, c'mon guys it skill which learned at level 77.. Why it has crap land rate? Try to compare it with super duper imba Rush Impact which has 10x better land rate... Any opinion? |
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| Author: | Vorlzeanmort [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Question about Bluff.... |
after a few experiment now I realize that shock effect within bluff is a mental attack... the duration of stun effect didn't reduce by using Resist Shock... but it's reduce by using Mental Shield... This is my report (20 times Stun State) : [Without Buff] - 6-7 seconds [Resist Shock] - 5-7 seconds [Mental Shield] - 3-4 seconds So its clear now that Bluff is totally Mental Attack...  What kind of jewel must used to boost land rate of Bluff instead of Olympiad Ring and Zaken? |
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