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zaqen
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I said it in my post: I don't like tk. Low str, medium con, messy with dyes... But that's just my opinion. He has very good skills (cubics, 360 degrees shield defense, arrest, etc.)... I just wouldn't go for tk... But it is just a matter of what do u preffer in a class, and i don't like tk (in general i don't like elfs, except sps). Like other ppl (like u atlant) love elfs, and dislike humans. It's just me and nothing more :)
and why i shouldnt hate that stupid race of humans ? there is always a class for pvp that is better of their :
sk > da
tk > pally
tyrant > gladi
destro > wl
pw/aw > th
sr/pr > he
sps > sorc
sph > necro
ps > warlock

only human's buffers are the best , but like a know they aint for pvp
EDIT : root will very rarely aply on destro cuz of his passives too : wisdom and thoughtness


lol da>sk glad>tyrant he>pr necro own all nukers and warlock own all summoners so you wrong


I can agree that DA is better then SK but the rest is kinda wierd. Tyrant=Gladi those are basicly depending on skills and not which class they use.
HE/PR are so different, if the PR lands his hex and power break on the HE, he's screwed. The HE is only better at basic shooting, not skills.

And the Necro vs SH, that's also not something you can say xD A Sh can simply land his silence on the necro, and he's screwed. Same thing for necro, but the SH has much higher INT.


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OK....first i want to say some things about the gladietor and the tyrant...
THEY ARE NOT TANKS !!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
enough with this

Then about the topic....
for rb the best tank is PALADIN
Not only for their 360 degrees of shield defence and for their stances.....
but for their healing abilities that reach the level of a bishop without symbols
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For PvP's go for DA because full buffed stun hamstring and panther rulezzZZzzZ :idea: :idea: :idea:

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Who the FUCK said glads and tyrants are tanks?
zaqen wrote:
nonelikeme wrote:
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jak_cs84 wrote:
I said it in my post: I don't like tk. Low str, medium con, messy with dyes... But that's just my opinion. He has very good skills (cubics, 360 degrees shield defense, arrest, etc.)... I just wouldn't go for tk... But it is just a matter of what do u preffer in a class, and i don't like tk (in general i don't like elfs, except sps). Like other ppl (like u atlant) love elfs, and dislike humans. It's just me and nothing more :)
and why i shouldnt hate that stupid race of humans ? there is always a class for pvp that is better of their :
sk > da
tk > pally
tyrant > gladi
destro > wl
pw/aw > th
sr/pr > he
sps > sorc
sph > necro
ps > warlock

only human's buffers are the best , but like a know they aint for pvp
EDIT : root will very rarely aply on destro cuz of his passives too : wisdom and thoughtness


lol da>sk glad>tyrant he>pr necro own all nukers and warlock own all summoners so you wrong


I can agree that DA is better then SK but the rest is kinda wierd. Tyrant=Gladi those are basicly depending on skills and not which class they use.
HE/PR are so different, if the PR lands his hex and power break on the HE, he's screwed. The HE is only better at basic shooting, not skills.

And the Necro vs SH, that's also not something you can say xD A Sh can simply land his silence on the necro, and he's screwed. Same thing for necro, but the SH has much higher INT.

Well since when da>sk in pvp? The da is a class that isn't used anymore since interlude because the other classes got some gains. In pvp the sk has a lot of chances to win, because the da will summon the panther, which has weak mdef, and he will use the panther to feed himself with hp.

Necro vs sh... Necro has silence AND curse of doom AND anchor too. BUT you're somewhat right because sh has superior int, so he can land debuffs more efficiently. Not mentioning that the dps of the sh is higher, because of higher int, compared to wit loss (just 1 wit minus) and also because of SURRENDER to wind, not gloom. Surrenders are superior.


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I really can't understand all those ppl that want a char that does everything!

If there was a tank with lots and lots of hp and p def that nukes to death everything and can catch up with an archer at running all of them would rush to create one!

They don't really care about gameplay or style or whatever a char is supposed to do in game.All they care about is pvp.But game is not only pvp.There are many more things in this game....

Why am i saying all this crap?

Because only very few ppl can understand how usefull ANY char can be.

If you want a tank LAST thing you will notice is it's p attack or it's magic skills (if any)

I will not go further to more classes but when it comes to tanks it's how much damage they can ressist that really matters, in my opinion.

If you are dreaming of wandering around and killing everything standing please consider that a tank is not a class for you!

Tanks need a little more experienced players.


Ty all and I apologise if my style was a little aggressive!


of course the primary function of a tank is ... tanking but who have just enough of tanking mobs and don't kill anyone in pvp.

In lineage, you spend times to xp, gain skills, get best gear/weapon with ubber SA, over enchant stuff.
Why ? to kill mobs ?
no, you spen dyour time to finally kill other players and get lot more fun.
That's why any player want to have "the best pvp char ever"

if all players only play their class for what they have to do then PP will never win a oly cause they are just "buffers".
Tanks would be harder to kill but will do less damages than a elpy
A bishop can't nuke undead mobs cause he is a healer.
and so on.

Lineage is the most PvP oriented mmorpg.
if you are just spending your time to have a chance to kill valakas/antharas/baium/frintezza, don't make sub class, just reach lvl 76+ with a nuker, make the quest, do the rbg groups and then uninstall L2


obviously you did not understand what i said.
unfortunatelly i don't have the time to explain myself at the moment...


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night wrote:
lol,necro is way better then sh coz he got transfer pain and a cursed man which has around 5-6patk in full buff even if the necro got silenced the cursed man kills the sh because transfer pain keeps the necro alive

not on topic

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all tanks have their own advantages.
DA and SK are death/unholy tanks --> have more dmg and debuffs
TK and PA are holy tanks --> have heals and supporting magic

choose what you like most.
if you want to heal and support your party member take PA or TK
if you want to debuff and being a pain in the neck for enemys take DA or SK

there is no ULTIMATE tank who can resist 20 Dmg Dealer and kills 10 tanks at the same time.

DA have most Dmg
SK have good Dmg and Debuffs
PA have best Defense and Heal
TK have ... mmhhh ... he have ... well ... Life Cubic (^^)

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what was the topic again? ^_^

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H4kor wrote:
night wrote:
lol,necro is way better then sh coz he got transfer pain and a cursed man which has around 5-6patk in full buff even if the necro got silenced the cursed man kills the sh because transfer pain keeps the necro alive

not on topic

to topic

all tanks have their own advantages.
DA and SK are death/unholy tanks --> have more dmg and debuffs
TK and PA are holy tanks --> have heals and supporting magic

choose what you like most.
if you want to heal and support your party member take PA or TK
if you want to debuff and being a pain in the neck for enemys take DA or SK

there is no ULTIMATE tank who can resist 20 Dmg Dealer and kills 10 tanks at the same time.

DA have most Dmg
SK have good Dmg and Debuffs
PA have best Defense and Heal
TK have ... mmhhh ... he have ... well ... Life Cubic (^^)

Well, as a matter of fact, DA doesn't have damage. Sk is the damage tank. He has low hp but high overall pdef, just like the tk. The tk just lacks damage. Pala is good on low hp (oly - vs other meleeers) and DA is something between tk and sk, and it's not that good. He may have that panther, but he has no efficient drain, such as life leech, neither a good heal like the pala and tk have.


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Icarus wrote:
Who the FUCK said glads and tyrants are tanks?
zaqen wrote:
nonelikeme wrote:
atlant448 wrote:
jak_cs84 wrote:
I said it in my post: I don't like tk. Low str, medium con, messy with dyes... But that's just my opinion. He has very good skills (cubics, 360 degrees shield defense, arrest, etc.)... I just wouldn't go for tk... But it is just a matter of what do u preffer in a class, and i don't like tk (in general i don't like elfs, except sps). Like other ppl (like u atlant) love elfs, and dislike humans. It's just me and nothing more :)
and why i shouldnt hate that stupid race of humans ? there is always a class for pvp that is better of their :
sk > da
tk > pally
tyrant > gladi
destro > wl
pw/aw > th
sr/pr > he
sps > sorc
sph > necro
ps > warlock

only human's buffers are the best , but like a know they aint for pvp
EDIT : root will very rarely aply on destro cuz of his passives too : wisdom and thoughtness


lol da>sk glad>tyrant he>pr necro own all nukers and warlock own all summoners so you wrong


I can agree that DA is better then SK but the rest is kinda wierd. Tyrant=Gladi those are basicly depending on skills and not which class they use.
HE/PR are so different, if the PR lands his hex and power break on the HE, he's screwed. The HE is only better at basic shooting, not skills.

And the Necro vs SH, that's also not something you can say xD A Sh can simply land his silence on the necro, and he's screwed. Same thing for necro, but the SH has much higher INT.

Well since when da>sk in pvp? The da is a class that isn't used anymore since interlude because the other classes got some gains. In pvp the sk has a lot of chances to win, because the da will summon the panther, which has weak mdef, and he will use the panther to feed himself with hp.

Necro vs sh... Necro has silence AND curse of doom AND anchor too. BUT you're somewhat right because sh has superior int, so he can land debuffs more efficiently. Not mentioning that the dps of the sh is higher, because of higher int, compared to wit loss (just 1 wit minus) and also because of SURRENDER to wind, not gloom. Surrenders are superior.
On theabyss x300 i make a test:I was DA at lvl 76 vs a SK lvl 78 both in NM heavy and on PP buff's both with DLE me Crt. dmg he Health and i kill him without lose HP.All know that theabyss is L2off server!


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Best tanks as 'tanks' are Pala/TK.
Only tank that can play in an offensive way in PvP is Paladin.
And about 1 vs 1....well, fuck 1 vs 1. Like that ever happens.


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Best tanks as 'tanks' are Pala/TK.
Only tank that can play in an offensive way in PvP is Paladin.
And about 1 vs 1....well, fuck 1 vs 1. Like that ever happens.
It is hard who is the best we can only say who is easy to play and i thing DA is way better in 1vs1(DAvsAll another) couse this summon make a lot of dmg but in TankvsTank combat i thing PA can win but that is only if the PA know haw to play.As well Icarus said i was on Oly DAvsDestro and the DA win at 30 hp left.


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@ivor most people don't know how to play sk, don't worry. Did he even drain the panther?


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I think this quarrel is endless :?


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@ivor most people don't know how to play sk, don't worry. Did he even drain the panther?
Nope he was so intersted to kill the DA and he forget the Pathner :D,anyway i land like 10-12 stun's on him and he only 2 and i was effected only once by the cubic.He was trying to darin me couse he land dryad skill on me lol and my pathenr was buffed too :P


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Well lol you even buff your panther. Then why doesn't he equip a wyvern and blow your panther? I don't know what pvp was that, but DA full buffed with panther full buffed isn't pvp. It's like going 2v1.

Well that's a spark that the sk was a big noob. He kills the panther and mostly drains it, so he can have a good spare of hp when he faces you, and next if he was smart, he had the proper hp for tod, which means cp down and some buffs probably removed. If he got stunned that many times it means his setup was completely wrong. Mj heavy set + con dyes. If the server had mp pots, guard stance made him a fortress, but it wasn't the case as you see.

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