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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:16 pm 
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robin wrote:
the part where TH miss a lot is true...it is like hit hit miss hit hit miss.

i really dunno if should continue using this character (i just play it to level 32 and now so confuse whether i should change to other character or not).
I thought it will get more accuracy at higher level. is that possible? getting more accuracy for TH when i reach higher level?
if it is not, i think i will quit playing TH.

indeed
TH (human fighter) has the lowest dex (except orc fighters)
human - 30, delf - 34, elf - 35 so it's obvious his acc & eva is the worst
and ofc u will have more accuracy at higher level
it works like that: +1 lvl = +1acc & +1eva, but mobs at ur lvl will always have evasion comparable to ur accuracy

lets compare all dagger classes without dyes at 40 lvl
>TH acc 69 eva 74
>AW acc 71 eva 76
>PW acc 71 eva 77
and now with +4 dex
each dex point adds 0.54 acc&eva to TH, 0.51 to AW and 0.50 to PW, but it's pointless)
>TH 71,76
>AW 73,78
>PW 73,79

so the difference is - 2 acc&eva points
do u rly care about these 2 points?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:53 pm 
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robin wrote:
the part where TH miss a lot is true...it is like hit hit miss hit hit miss.

i really dunno if should continue using this character (i just play it to level 32 and now so confuse whether i should change to other character or not).
I thought it will get more accuracy at higher level. is that possible? getting more accuracy for TH when i reach higher level?
if it is not, i think i will quit playing TH.
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go kill mobs same lvl you are , impossible to mis mis mis as you say


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:08 pm 
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I think he meant it for skills...

But maybe not :)


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:24 pm 
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robin wrote:
the part where TH miss a lot is true...it is like hit hit miss hit hit miss.

i really dunno if should continue using this character (i just play it to level 32 and now so confuse whether i should change to other character or not).
I thought it will get more accuracy at higher level. is that possible? getting more accuracy for TH when i reach higher level?
if it is not, i think i will quit playing TH.

ofc accuracy will be bigger
or higher lvl mobs have lower evasion lol
cuz in high lvl i feel good with my accuracy on th

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:56 pm 
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WaZaWanGa wrote:
the part where TH miss a lot is

go kill mobs same lvl you are , impossible to mis mis mis as you say

i never write miss miss miss...
i write hit hit miss.... and it is for normal hits (not mortal blow that 50% never land)

and for the explanation for that dex difference...thanks :)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:00 pm 
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for hunting the sword I made 2 characters TH and AW.....


and when hunting sword, lethal strike (cp=0 hp=1) and halfkill (cp=0) easily lands when i'm using AW.... they are both 78 ^^ same wep and armor...

before i like TH... BUT now I like AW....

and regarding pvp AW is the best, does a lot of damage.... specially one on one.... i was able to lethal strike a DA yesterday... (which never happend with my TH even lethal blow skill have +4"leathal chance" ups ;c) but i did with my AW still no ups of skills ^^

TRUE---> AW is the Best


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:03 pm 
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Wazdeng wrote:
for hunting the sword I made 2 characters TH and AW.....


and when hunting sword, lethal strike (cp=0 hp=1) and halfkill (cp=0) easily lands when i'm using AW.... they are both 78 ^^ same wep and armor...

before i like TH... BUT now I like AW....

and regarding pvp AW is the best, does a lot of damage.... specially one on one.... i was able to lethal strike a DA yesterday... (which never happend with my TH even lethal blow skill have +4"leathal chance" ups ;c) but i did with my AW still no ups of skills ^^

TRUE---> AW is the Best


Congratulations. Now u know that TH is a piece of crap, relatively to AW :))


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Shalana wrote:
Wazdeng wrote:
for hunting the sword I made 2 characters TH and AW.....


and when hunting sword, lethal strike (cp=0 hp=1) and halfkill (cp=0) easily lands when i'm using AW.... they are both 78 ^^ same wep and armor...

before i like TH... BUT now I like AW....

and regarding pvp AW is the best, does a lot of damage.... specially one on one.... i was able to lethal strike a DA yesterday... (which never happend with my TH even lethal blow skill have +4"leathal chance" ups ;c) but i did with my AW still no ups of skills ^^

TRUE---> AW is the Best


Congratulations. Now u know that TH is a piece of crap, relatively to AW :))

yea our community is growing! :D

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:06 pm 
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AW hands down. Though players new to playing a dagger may want to go something a little more newbie friendly like a TH. Play it for awhile and when you are decent with it switch to AW and get ready to learn all over again :P

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 Post subject: Re: BEST DAGGER CLASS FOR HUNTING BLOOD SWORD or DEMONIC SWO
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:41 am 
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I just started the game and I was using TH while killing the mobs it and miss keeps on popping. What a total crap.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:30 pm 
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shizuo wrote:
I just started the game and I was using TH while killing the mobs it and miss keeps on popping. What a total crap.


Missing normal hits or skills?

TH isnt that blind, I play dagger since C3 and pretty much played with all of them. ATM I'm playing with PW.

If you mean missing normal hits, try killing white mobs that aren't light armor user, you should not miss that much.

About skills, your blow land rate is the same from the other daggers, the only difference is when they get their 3rd proof, using skills such as Focus Death. Then they will land a lot more than TH.

Many people say that dex/accuracy affects blow land rate, but that is a lie since the game became C4, but people still spread this around the forums. It was already proven by Diego Vargas and it's not worth the effort to discuss again.

Now, the cool thing about playing a dagger is that your position means everything, a daggerist that cant run around the enemy while using skills is worthless and this is valid to leveling aswell.

So when killing a mob that is attacking you, always send your character to move to almost the back of the mob and use your leveling skill while moving (Lethal blow or Deadly Blow). This way you will have more land rate, since blow land rate is affected by the position, such as the damage. Same when starting killing a monster, use your skills from behind.

Always remember that the lowest chance of landing blows is 100% in front of the mob, anywhere else you will have a greater chance. If you have delay or cant move that way while pvm/pvp, consider rerolling class.


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 Post subject: Re: BEST DAGGER CLASS FOR HUNTING BLOOD SWORD or DEMONIC SWO
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:20 pm 
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Greetings to all! (and all the nabs here to which I will come to in a second)

1st I wanna ask where all the pr0's play (Shalana and all others with 2k+ posts - Now don't look at my post count and assume I'm a nab cuz my post count is low) - do you play HR or LR? I used to play on L2Aeron cuz I hate LR with it's farm. Just would like to know where the real pros in this forum hang out nowadays. Maybe we can meet up somewhere in a server.

Now 2 ze n00bs:

1st Nope Dex doesnt influence skill crite rate - IT INFLUENCES NORMAL HIT CRIT RATE. SKILL CRIT RATE NOT = NORMAL HIT CRIT RATE

2nd SKILL CRIT RATE IS INFLUENCED BY STR.

3rd TH sucks. Yes, you heard it from me, too. Again, so the n00bs can write it down: TH S U C K S. The ONLY REASON why you would PLAY TH is THIS (Now listen carefully nabs - you might LEARN SOMETHING):

- (Assume enemy has Reflect DMG epics and/or Buffs) Activate Mirage and NORMAL HIT Bishops or ANY Enemy SO THEY CONSTANTLY GET TARGET CANCEL => TARGET CANCEL = USELESS BISHOP and NO ATTACK SKILLS FROM ENEMY.

SO here again, TH SKILL'S NO, TH NORMAL HIT YES.

As it was stated many countless times before, TH missed with SKILLS like a drunken monkey or grandma with no glasses on. TH is a TARGET CANCELER WITH MIRAGE AND TRICK + SWITCH. IF YOU WANNA KILL SOMETHING REAL FAST => AW.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:10 pm 
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u are wrong. DEX does affect blows land rate(only blows not other skills) and STR doesnt . Ur statement doesnt make any sence. TH is worst? for open pvp YES IT IS THE WORST but for pve is just stricly better then other 2 dagger classes in early/mid levels. and now u gonna say u are retard DE got highest dps! yes he does but if u are playing on server w retail stun rates u are gonna cry big time.
ur statment is correct for high rate pvp server ONLY.

if STR does affects skill crit rate why TH misses most compared to other daggers? dont use focus p/d and mortal strike and test it by urself.

pro players left cuz they or bored of reading bullsh1ts like this and the game is pretty much dead nowdays compared to 3-4 years ago.

if STR affects skill crit rate TH wont miss all the skills. think about it


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:10 pm 
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bemyfrag wrote:
u are wrong. DEX does affect blows land rate(only blows not other skills) and STR doesnt . Ur statement doesnt make any sence. TH is worst? for open pvp YES IT IS THE WORST but for pve is just stricly better then other 2 dagger classes in early/mid levels. and now u gonna say u are retard DE got highest dps! yes he does but if u are playing on server w retail stun rates u are gonna cry big time.
ur statment is correct for high rate pvp server ONLY.

if STR does affects skill crit rate why TH misses most compared to other daggers? dont use focus p/d and mortal strike and test it by urself.

pro players left cuz they or bored of reading bullsh1ts like this and the game is pretty much dead nowdays compared to 3-4 years ago.

if STR affects skill crit rate TH wont miss all the skills. think about it


Checking the forum and read this. I log in to reply to bemyfrag and see he's on ignore list. Now it made sense. I wouldn't remember people on my ignore list, but since I already read your post before I logged in I might as well remind you of the following:

Listen you "Enlightenmentshitter" from Bulgaria: which chronicle are we talking H5 or earlier chronicles? If you are talking about early chronicles c2, c3 c4 etc BEFORE DEX and STR got changed then you are correct. I don't remember exactly, which chronicle this was, but I remember there was such a change. And some of you obviously missed the >NOTE<. That would make you clearly misinformed and you are spreading disinformation and confusion. So make yourself clear before you post and/or do your due reading and information gathering. If you don't know your shit better stop. Don't open your mouth or write sh1t and pretend to know something that you clearly don't know.

I will make due from now and will not respond to any further people on my ignore list. I put them there for a reason and I do not want to waste my time to respond or even give the attention to people like your kind.

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 Post subject: Re: BEST DAGGER CLASS FOR HUNTING BLOOD SWORD or DEMONIC SWO
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:36 pm 
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any client b4 h5 (h5 included). i dont know where u get all ur information but its clearly not true.
playing on high rates really brainwashes u.

Even back in c2-3 or idc wich client STR did NEVER increased skill crit rate (dont know about post GOD clients).

i left this game for a reason. the smart guys like u are just too much . they always thinks they are right. better go back to high rate or w/e lol server u playing where STR gives skill crit rate.
i do really know my sh1t. played on too many servers with too many pro players on non-lolwtf servers where STR gives skill rate.

give me official NCSoft statement where STR does this and i will never make post in this forum(not like i do but w/e).

i really dont know why i even answer to some random that plays on lol server. Why would u advise the guy to not make TH since is the most sh1t dagger in pvp? maybe the guy dont like to play lol high rate server that is not even close to the l2 game itself.sh1t players in this game are just too much i cant take it anymore :D the guy plays on pre interlude ince he said there is lethal strike and TH my friend is probably the best dagger class pre interlude. but how would u know since all u play is lolservers


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