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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:44 am 
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So Icarus has this formula:
skill_power*buff_modifiers+6.1*(SA_bonus+passive_bonus+VS_bonus)*56/p.def

And Diego from L2guru has these:

from 2007: ((PATK + POWER) * CRIT_POWER_BUFFS + (CRIT_POWER_PASSIVES) * 6) * 70 / PDEF = Stab Damage

from 2009: 77*(SS*(POWER+PATK)) * (Crit Buffs) + (6xCrit Power Effects)) / PDEF = Dmg

So I guess Focus Death is just a 1.9 to the crit_power_buff (in Diego's wording) equation. But which of the equations is correct for HB? Icarus' would make daggers do crap damage, while Diego's seems to match all the videos you can see of retail daggers pummeling people.

I guess Icarus is the only one capable of answering this... fingers crossed.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:25 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:48 am 
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Lol you people compare Icarus with Diego ? Be real Diego plays Lineage since CB or OB and he does know how the game mechanics work . Because he has acces to retail xmls and stuff while all you lolprivate players question him ? And not to mention he works close to Nyo the one that made l2calc WTF is wrong you ? But yeah Icarus some player who went retail for such a short time and all your tests from loll2j count more then Diego's word . Daggers do A LOT of damage mate i have a ss from Teon where a GH hits a Robe User for 15.500 and did not have VS On , so yeah Dagger Class does SUCK HARD .

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o.O as a side note the GH did not use Hex + Critical Wound ;) Dagger Class do a lot of damage because of the Earth Element .


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:32 am 
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Sasha_ wrote:
Dagger Class do a lot of damage because of the Earth Element .

YEAH!

YOU ARE 1st PERSON ON THIS FORUM
that know about earth stones and using him...
nobody make resists.
I've thought that nobody would thoing about it.


make augument pvp might+earth earth attribute+re-train skills on earth atack and u will pwn all

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:19 pm 
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One thing I don't understand about his formulas is if he's multiplying when he puts CRIT_POWER_BUFFS and CRIT_POWER_PASSIVES or adding? In this example http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=16 he's obviously multiplying, but on the page for the older formula he doesn't give an example, and people add together the crits in examples.

On another forum someone made an example with one of the formulas and added the passives but multiplied the crits. So it isn't clear to me.

Anybody know for sure?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:28 pm 
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here is my question

how much damage add vicious stance to gladi/warlord skills? and dagger skills? is VS more efficient for daggers?

imo better use skill again than run out of mana :wink:

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Banana wrote:
here is my question

how much damage add vicious stance to gladi/warlord skills? and dagger skills? is VS more efficient for daggers?

imo better use skill again than run out of mana :wink:


vs just adds patk during critical dmg , is not a crit dmg multiplier so it should be little

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so I have 1k p atak.
and with vicious stance I have 1,5k p atak during crit hit?

so it give 500 p atak on crit hit, but with skils too? I mean other class skills than dagger like gladi or warlord?
so its like skill booster?
I wont use it rather, bechause I need more mana to spam my skills, better to use 4 times a skill and have 2 criticals than use them 3 time and have 1 crit :P on dager classes its probably usefull, but on WL I dont use it if I dont stand against heavy armor user bcoz of limited mana (better togge war frenzy :) )


BTW I saw a noob glad before gracia final who toggled accuracy against treasure hunter and as we know TH dont evade skills (ye, he was spamming skills only :shock: )

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Sasha_ wrote:
Dagger Class do a lot of damage because of the Earth Element .


if ur opponent has +earth resist on his armor (which i doubt) then it's another story.

Banana wrote:
here is my question

how much damage add vicious stance to gladi/warlord skills? and dagger skills? is VS more efficient for daggers?

imo better use skill again than run out of mana :wink:


when u say "is VS more efficient for dagger?" what exactly do u mean? more efficient than what? r u talking about the dmg difference with and w/o it? well then.. u must always use vs in combat bcoz it adds extra dmg on ur crit but it varies (if i'll have some free time i'll log in to check its bonus dmg even if i don't trust in private srv's)

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yeah, find me more than 5% of players with atributes that have them (excluding antharas resist)

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