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 Post subject: Re: Questions for dagger experts
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:35 pm 
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guzeris wrote:
jadehouse wrote:
Please clarify on the questions below for Hellbound:

1) How much damage does 'focus death' add to blows? In Gracia (my friend just tested), it does not add 90% from the back... it's more like 40%. Is there information on Lineage2.com stating when it was changed (if it was at all)?

2) How much damage do soulshots add to blows?

Thanks a lot all.


u asking information in sad lol forum who 99% of them here never tryed retail they know shit about dagers 2..


its 90% from back 60% from sides(back stab can be done to said 2) and if u remove targed whit ect u can stab to face it will count as a side stab whit 60% more crit dmg if he arent targeting u. and sol shots boost only back stab dmg deadlt blow dmg is not boosted and it is 40%


Where is your information from? Do you have retail proof? Private servers could very well all have it wrong at this point, and that's the very reason I'm spending time trying to clear this up.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:09 pm 
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guzeris wrote:
2) and if u remove targed whit ect u can stab to face it will count as a side stab whit 60% more crit dmg if he arent targeting u.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:48 pm 
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So that's it? Everybody heard it somewhere or their first private server had it so that's what they tell everyone else and it spread?

What would the ideal forum be to ask about this, if not here?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:10 am 
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Shalana wrote:
Your friend is really wrong.

And in HB the bonus damage is still 90%.

Correct me if im wrong


I think she's right


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:34 am 
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Did some quick tests on a HB private server using a WR w/ no tats, no CD, no rings -- the target had 700 p.def:

unbuffed: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8281/unbuffed.jpg

focus death only: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6002/76403863.jpg

buffed: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2631/buffsx.jpg

buffed with focus death: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/408/fdbuffs.jpg

buffed with dances and focus death: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1130 ... dances.jpg

So it's base*90%? Do these screens match up with what everyone has been thinking?

I'm going to give up on it probably. There's just not enough evidence around of what it was like in retail HB I guess, and all the private servers in the world are probably modified from before then anyways (best guess given all the ridiculous extenders, bugs, etc.).


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:12 pm 
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EUPHORIA wrote:
jadehouse wrote:
Did some quick tests on a HB private server using a WR w/ no tats, no CD, no rings -- the target had 700 p.def:

unbuffed: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8281/unbuffed.jpg

focus death only: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6002/76403863.jpg

buffed: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2631/buffsx.jpg

buffed with focus death: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/408/fdbuffs.jpg

buffed with dances and focus death: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1130 ... dances.jpg

So it's base*90%? Do these screens match up with what everyone has been thinking?

I'm going to give up on it probably. There's just not enough evidence around of what it was like in retail HB I guess, and all the private servers in the world are probably modified from before then anyways (best guess given all the ridiculous extenders, bugs, etc.).

nice, but remember its still a private


I tested it also in some priv l2j/l2off

on all the dmg was the same % added


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:14 pm 
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Isn't Focus Death supposed to be a multiplier of your overall blow dmg and not just base*90%? I mean there's simply no goddamn way I'm going to get the character I took those SS of to the damage of any dagger video on YouTube with rings and everything else. The only possible way is if Focus Death worked as I'm describing, or BackStab did a lot more than other blows (which where I tested it does absolutely nothing different).


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:13 pm 
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with focus death u win
without it ur a noob


Stop posting in my thread.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:01 am 
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hahaha agree xD

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And I want to learn something about dagger, gonna make it on sub and never played light armor class :P

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:32 pm 
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jadehouse wrote:
Just to sum this thread up really fast:

On retail, blows on NPCs with FD add around 45% from behind. Blows on mobs add 90%. No idea how the hell that works. More tests tomorrow vs players.

I was incorrect about the tests with soulshots. Still not sure if they add to any blows at all. Will try to get this tested tomorrow as well.

Thanks everybody for input so far (even you, sextoy ^_^).



npc dont have back u cna stab face, back , sides it wil lcount as side stabs.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:51 pm 
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guzeris wrote:
jadehouse wrote:
Just to sum this thread up really fast:

On retail, blows on NPCs with FD add around 45% from behind. Blows on mobs add 90%. No idea how the hell that works. More tests tomorrow vs players.

I was incorrect about the tests with soulshots. Still not sure if they add to any blows at all. Will try to get this tested tomorrow as well.

Thanks everybody for input so far (even you, sextoy ^_^).



npc dont have back u cna stab face, back , sides it wil lcount as side stabs.


That's interesting. Thank you. How does retail focus death add 45% from behind NPCs then? I thought the skill didn't add dmg from the side.

Also, is this 90% that it's supposed to add of overall dmg, or of base dmg only?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:04 am 
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most things in L2 is on base value... imagine tyrant, which have splitner focus, baium, aq, cat buff, zealot (doubles the crits), hawk or bison (doubles crits again), prophecy of wind (agian increase them)

he would make 8k crits on antharas lol
with 4,5k p atak, 500 crit rate, 1500 att speed
he would solo it probaby

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:55 am 
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Banana wrote:
most things in L2 is on base value... imagine tyrant, which have splitner focus, baium, aq, cat buff, zealot (doubles the crits), hawk or bison (doubles crits again), prophecy of wind (agian increase them)

he would make 8k crits on antharas lol
with 4,5k p atak, 500 crit rate, 1500 att speed
he would solo it probaby


Comparing a dagger to a tyrant in this doesn't work at all.

Focus Death being an overall multiplier is the only way to explain live videos of AW/PWs (GX as well) running around and doing 6~7k dmg to DC robes with 12k+ double crits. If the skill is base*90% none of that is possible, even with full rings, etc.

The person who did tests for me agreed that NPCs can only be hit from the side as someone suggested (so 60% dmg increase), so that's what the confusion was about in the beginning, anyways.

Getting closer to a real answer, which is what most thought all along I guess.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:41 am 
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my bro on tyrant make crits 7k on dc robe too xD

force storm + blaster and 1 nuker dead
than he come, use hurricane and second nuker dead xD

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:46 pm 
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no.

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I mean, he have splitners +3 with 150 atribute and guys was DC robe users

compare splitners damage + WC buff to DC robe with SE buff and herbs

server is no tatoo, so no extra p def/m def, so who first target, he wins 8)

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